怎樣讓自覺得到成長 1979-10-15

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怎 樣 讓 自 覺 得 到 成 長

1979年10月15日 英國倫敦

你們多數人是霎哈嘉瑜伽士。現在,那些已經得到自覺的人,那些已經感受到生命能量的人必須知道,他們現在正發展成為另外一種存有。這種萌芽已經開始,你們必須允許這萌芽以其自身的方式成就。但是當我們得到自覺,通常來說,我們並沒有意識到這是發生在我們內在的一件大事。這種不可能的觸發,已經發生在我們身上了,而且它必須緩慢地運作起來。它必須使我們成長和進化。因為我們感覺不到我們的自覺,並沒有像我們應該的那樣去認真對待它。此外,我們周圍還都是不能感受到生命能量的人。他們不知道這個領域,他們從未見過。

就像導師那納克(Guru Nanaka)所說:它是不可見的(alakh),他們沒有見過,也不瞭解,並不知道有一種神的力量存在,這種力量能理解、協調、並配合你們,它在集體存有中運作,讓你們感知到集體存有和其它存有。我們稱之為不可見的(alakh)或者無形的(paroksha),意思是沒有人看見過,也沒有人瞭解。他們談論這種力量,談論神的國度,談論神的力量,上天的力量。所有的都是談論、談論、再談論。但一旦你們受觸發而進入了那個力量之中,你們必須有所成長。除非你們成長進入那個神的力量,否則你們會被淘汰掉,特別是那些來自假導師和追隨過虛假事物的人。

他們不知道這些東西有多可怕?就像你們坐在一條鱷魚上,突然你們發現那是一條鱷魚,你們會以多快的速度逃走?但是,哪怕只是知道那是一條鱷魚,它會把你們吃掉你們,都沒那麼容易。因此,這個人也不能意識到(自己站在一條鱷魚上),如同你們不能意識到那個內在的觸發一樣,這最困難的事情已發生在你們身上,這些是困難的,但已經發生在你們身上。你們要知道這為什麼會發生。你們認為這是理所當然的,你們也理所當然地接受惡魔。至少不要理所當然地接受惡魔。應儘快遠離它們。然後冥想,冥想,嘗試讓自己立足於上天愛的國度裡。

我說這是上天的愛。你們不能理解什麼是上天的愛。你們不能理解有人愛你們只是出於愛,只是因為那個人愛你們。祂一直在愛著你們,因為祂享受愛。在梵文中這被稱為“avraja”......,即沒有利益關係,只有愛在流動。即使當這種愛要糾正你們,也是在愛之中糾正。上天愛的保護是你們的自覺萌芽生長的唯一通道。這種愛賜予你們所需的溫暖,賜予你們所需的力量,賜予你們所需的自信。一切都由上天的愛賜予你們。

因此,你們必須意識到,那是愛,愛是一切創造的基礎。神創造了這個世界、這個宇宙,只是因為祂愛你們,祂想要賜予你們祂的祝福,是因為祂愛你們。但問題在於你們愛你們自己有多少,你們對自己的瞭解有多深你們。你們沒有進行自我評估你們,這就是雖然靈量已經升起,你們已經得到了自覺,你們的生命能量在流動,而成長還是非常緩慢的原因所在。因為注意力一直在外面,就算自覺後依然在外面。有時它被吸入內在,然後再次走向外面。此外,我們根本沒有改變我們的舊習性。繼續沿襲這些舊習性。我們的生活結構、思維方式仍然照舊。我們再次發現自己迷失在同樣的混亂之中。

現在,霎哈嘉瑜伽給予你們自覺,好吧,但它也會讓你們慢慢自取滅亡。如果你們對自己和你們的存有掉以輕心,如果你們不愛自己,不明白你們是神的工具——籍由此,你們將第一次你們給予人們自覺,將去拯救人們免於溺亡,第一次你們被創造成這樣你們。你們今天所獲得的這種能力,你們從前不曾擁有過,也沒有人類曾擁有過。能獲得這能力的簡直是鳳毛菱角。

而現在你們已經擁有了這種能力,你們卻不想去評估自身的價值你們!這種能力是有多麼重要,如果你們能意識到這一點,那麼你們會把它展現出來。讓這種力量綻放出來!然而,我發現,現在因為你們全都是霎哈嘉瑜伽士,我可以這樣向你們講述通常都關於靈量之類的知識,但我卻發現你們並沒有覺察到自己靈量的運作。

如果試著去理解,祂是最愛你們的,因為祂是你們每個人的母親,如果你們試著跟隨祂,你們會明白祂正在暗示:你們內在哪裡出了題?你們必須改正些什麼?你們必須做些什麼?因為祂想要讓你們更完美,祂想幫助你們。因此,如果你們開始以愛和理解來關注祂,祂非常愛玩,極其甜美。像個小孩子一樣,富有各種美妙的遊戲。祂處處逗你們開心,想引起你們的你們注意,祂並不會打擾你們。對祂你們只要保持警覺,祂真正會使你們成熟起來。你們已經看見隨著時間的推移人們是怎樣成熟起來。但是你們必須把注意力放在祂和你們自己身上你們,否則,沒有開悟,你們有什麼價值呢?沒有開悟,一個人有什麼價值呢?

如果人類沒有開悟,有什麼用呢?這個設備,如果不把它接入主電源有什麼用呢,其餘的都是無用的,對嗎?正是你們應去提升人們,你們如同我們有一些煤氣燈,應去照亮人們。一個人跑到煤氣燈那裡,點亮這些燈。唯有他才有能力和力量去點亮這些燈,於是他跑到街上,點亮所有的煤氣燈。必須由他去做這些,他是被指定來做此事的。

霎哈嘉瑜伽士必須認識到自己的價值。你們在霎哈嘉瑜伽中成就了什麼?你們已經拯救了多少人,你們已經幫助了多少人?但恰恰相反,你們自身的問題太多了,你們在通過談話、討論和爭論給他人製造問題,你們無法通過討論來喚醒靈量你們。你們必須知道,你們無法通過爭論來喚醒靈量。這必須依靠靈量自身的運作。通過爭論、討論、發牢騷、評判,讓你們自己迷惑,你們給靈量製造了問題留待她去解決你們。你們不是在追尋自己的靈嗎?你們不是擔心自己靈體的救贖嗎?如果是這樣,你們正在對靈做些什麼?這才是最重要的事情。

我想每個人都會意識到:只得到自覺並不是終點。因為自覺僅僅是剛剛開始萌芽。你們必須走得更遠,你們必須對那些還沒得自覺的人心懷慈悲。你們必須想到他們,你們必須給予他們自覺,一心一意地去做。但我發現人們仍然忙於別的事情。他們回到原來的生活軌道。你們是該忙碌,我不是說你們不應該為你們的生活做事情。你們應該做的。這是一件我們需要知道的非常重要的事情,我們必須把它成就出來,我們必須讓自覺在內在成長起來。

但如果你們說:母親,我們對你們您有完全的信心。那是不夠的,你們有什麼信心?你們所說的信心是什麼?它是一個如此模糊的術語。信心究竟是什麼?你們分析過“信心”這個詞嗎?有些人認為假如我們唱母親的讚歌便是對母親有完全的信心,這樣就行了。為此,一個人必須達到像商羯羅(Adi Shankaracharya)大師那樣的境界。重點是你們對自己是否有信心,對我有信心的人怎會對自己沒有信心。你們必須對自己有信心,對你們的同伴有信心,對其他霎哈嘉瑜伽士有信心。我已經告訴過你們,霎哈嘉瑜伽不是靠個體來成就的。認為自己比別人更偉大的人是不可救藥的。任何人都不應該為了顯得自己更偉大而去做霎哈嘉瑜伽的工作,你們必須共同努力,為每個人做事情。你們當中的任何人認為自己比其他人更高,那麼他就大錯特錯了。

那就像一隻眼睛說我比另一隻眼睛高,或者鼻子說我比眼睛高。在宇宙大我(Virata)的身體裡,每樣事物都有其位置,每個人既重要又可有可無。你們知道在印度,霎哈嘉瑜伽裡很常見的事情,在這裡卻並不多見你們,印度人會是這樣,他們有非常好的優點,就像無論什麼時候我去那裡,我發現他們都非常成熟,進展良好,因為他們並非像你們那樣善於思考,你們是大思想家、幻想家和知識份子。我在想在一段時間後,所有知識份子一段時間後都在這裡長出了犄角,就像這樣,當你們看到他們,你們就會知道他們是知識份子,他們指責神和祂的所有做法。

從這個意義上來說,我想說,他們並不是知識份子,你們會在某些事情上失敗,而他們(印度人)在某些事情上也會失敗。你們他們總會有這種事情:有人走出來,例如一個男人,他說:不,我是偉大的,我是這樣,我是那樣。他喋喋不休地說,還貶低其他人。然後突然間,這個人被放倒了,人們感到震驚。母親,發生什麼了?你們不能這樣,如果你們要像那樣拉住一張鋪開的地毯,你們不能只拉住它的一邊,你們必須拉住整張地毯。只有一個人不能上演整出戲劇,現在你們站在我的立場。是的,我知道自己擁有所有的力量,當然一切都在那裡,我應該是更高的,我是說本應是。但是,面對你們,我必須下來,我要和你們一起奮力登山。每一步我們都必須攜手共進。

你們知道的,有人的某些輪穴受到感染,所以,我就要用到我的輪穴,讓它們來發揮作用,然後感染的問題被解決了,就是以那樣的方式去解決的。但是你們知道我要多費勁?我要多努力地工作?讓他人自覺是一項使命。我的靈量並不需要任何東西,你們是知道的,但是它仍要背負著你們沉重的靈量,把它提升起來你們。那是一件非常沉重的事情,只有擁有真愛的人才能做到。那是唯一的條件。沒有愛的人做不到。這需要太多太多的付出。整個身體都在發送生命能量,每個能量中心在發送生命能量,這並不容易。但正是你們我之間的愛和慈悲,撫慰了我你們,足以抵償所有的勞累、工作和我所投入的一切。有時我感到對於某些人,這樣做純屬浪費,用在他們身上是如此地浪費,但依然是愛把我們帶到一起,給予心靈的撫慰,讓人你們感到格外快樂。每天清晨你們醒來,你們內在散發著一種清新的芬芳,你們會感到非常的幸福。

所以與人相處時要謹慎,你們必須以愛待人,而不是用批評,或地以任何方式貶低對方。當任何情況下你們都不會覺得自己高於其他人的時候,你們就沒理由那樣做了。如果你們正提升得更高,那麼你們是在幫助集體的存有,但由此,如果你們覺得自己比他人更高,你們會再次跌下來,因為你們正在拉低集體。如果你們貶低任何人,或像那樣去指責任何人,那麼你們就是在貶低那個人。同樣,你們也不應該去糾正,因為我會在那裡糾正。

糾正他人不容易,你們可能會傷害他們。你們甚至並不知道糾正他人的方法。除非你們擁有那些從你們自身的存有,即從你們的愛中散發的強大生命能量,你們才可以糾正他人。因為這是一個自我導向的社會,我們非常擅長傷害他人。 你們控制他人,甚至不知道自己是在控制他人。我已經瞭解到在這個國家有如此多的控制方式,我們以一種非常精微的方式進行控制。我們以控制的方式對他人說話。我們是否曾經坐下來想過:我們要如何和別人交談,向他們表達我們的愛呢?

我會反復地告訴你們——霎哈嘉瑜伽只是愛,愛,愛。你們有多愛別人才是關鍵點。輕視、批評是不好的。昨天你們還是照舊,今天你們會好些,你們還會變得更好。當然對於有些很難相處,或者諸多麻煩的人,你們應當清楚地告訴他們:對不起,先生,你們很負面,我們不能忍受你們。或許也有某些狡猾的人進來找你們麻煩,一定程度上還可以(容忍),然後你們必須告訴他們:我們很抱歉(你們得離開)。但是,就連判斷一個人是否負面,他正在做什麼樣的事情,你們也只是通過思考,通過理性化的思考來進行。不要通過理性,而是要通過生命能量來判斷。 因為通過理性看,一個可能表現很好的人,也許(是個負面的人),一位女士來到這裡,她可能是一個可怕的人。所以,你們入靜的程度意味著你們愛的程度你們。當你們想起別人,想想你們有多麼愛他們,只是試著去想一想這是多麼美好!如果那不是愛,是仇恨,這就像一股灼人的熱浪,你們知道,那將會徹底帶走你們心中所有的美麗你們和平靜。

只有通過愛,霎哈嘉瑜伽才會傳播。這麼多年來你們已經看到了仇恨的力量。你們已經看到人們是怎樣以仇恨相待的。他們是怎樣談論和對待彼此的?他們彼此之間沒有溫柔,沒有友善,他們彼此如針尖對麥芒般相處。

你們現在必須改變這一切。你們必須創造人們彼此相愛的世界,不為別的任何事情。不為金錢,不為地位,不為美貌,不為性。只是為了愛。只因你們已經得到愛的祝福。

從下次開始,我們將做宣傳,更多新人會進入霎哈嘉瑜伽,而且我確信人數還會增加。但我告訴過你們,你們所有人要弄清楚自己可以帶多少人進來,並讓他們有所進展。我要說,吉姆做得很好,非常出色。我為他感到自豪。他已經去做了很多事情,他獨自一人去開展工作,在那裡與可怕的魔怪作戰,但是他做到了。你們所有人都必須支持他,還要支持那些想做事情的人。

把你們的心思放在這樣的事情上。我們一直在考慮工作,考慮這個,考慮那個的。這是一段不容錯過的寶貴時光。我們生生世世都在忙著工作、賺錢、結婚、生子,然後死去。這一生,讓我們做一些特別的事情,整個宇宙都是為此而創造的。要為其他人打開天堂之門,你們必須要勤勉。你們很清楚,在霎哈嘉瑜伽裡沒有強制,也沒有設定時間。沒有強迫,因為我說它是愛。如果你們不想做,沒有人會強迫你們。但正如我所說,霎哈嘉瑜伽你們會讓你們慢慢地自取滅亡你們。直到你們完全進入幻象,你們才會知道自己已經失去了所有生命能量,會到那樣(嚴重)的程度。

如果我們已經進入了前所未有的階段,那麼我們所採取的方式也必須是前所未有的。你們不能再使用你們之前所使用的方法。你們必須改變你們方法,通過愛來判斷你們的每一個行動。你們可以為別人做出多少犧牲呢?你們能為別人犧牲什麼呢?你們能為別人提供什麼服務呢?霎哈嘉瑜伽士們,我說的是,這裡不存在犧牲。如果你們明白,並不存在犧牲,那就是愛。

如果你們愛某人,比如說,你們想為那個人帶一枝玫瑰。你們去到市場,費了很大勁你們得到了玫瑰。當你們得到它時你們感到很開心。但後來你們的手指被刺到了,你們依然不介意,流血了,沒有關係。你們只是期待著看見他,當你們看到那個人,你們忘掉期間所發生的一切,你們送玫瑰只是為了象徵性地表達你們自己。你們覺得能夠送給那個人玫瑰,是多麼開心啊!在我們的生活中每天都在做著這樣的事情,。

但在霎哈嘉瑜伽裡,你們不知不覺就做了,這些事情就發生了。你們是傳送者。你們知道嗎?當你們坐在任何地方進入冥想狀態,你們都是在傳送生命能量。在冥想時,如果你們在想著自己你們的工作或以前一直在你們思考的事情,那麼這種傳送就會變得比較差。冥想時,要想著愛,想著整個國家,整個世界,你們就是愛之波浪的傳送者,愛因你們而流動你們。

我曾經告訴你們,你們是你們照著格涅沙的樣子,你們被創造出來的,這也是你們要去做的。你們知道,生命能量從你們身上發出來。你們在發送生命能量,這是你們知道的。這意味著你們就像從大地之母的子宮拋出的神祇那樣,一座大的寺廟平地而起,成千上萬的人前去敬拜。他們說,這是一個Jagrut Devata的寺廟,“Jagrut”意思是開悟的,覺醒的,其實那只是一塊石頭,一塊拔地而起的石頭,人們在它上面建起一座寺廟,然後去那裡敬拜它。現在,很多很多的覺醒的(Jagrut),自覺的靈,已經坐在這裡了,都是活生生的,可移動的,他們有理解力,能嫺熟操控。

石頭只會散發出生命能量來潔淨氣場,但你們可以提升靈量。石頭不能提升靈量,你們可以。對於靈量,你們在做什麼?你們得到了如此寶貴的東西,對於它,你們在做什麼?是不是因為靈量無關乎利益,所以我們如此緩慢地接受它?假如它是一項企業經營,那麼每個人都會行動起來,對嗎?我們必須改變理解的方式方法。神的獎賞是比任何企業經營所能給予你們的多一千倍。當祂祝福你們時,你們甚至沒法用語言去感謝祂。祂會做到那個程度。我們是依靠祂,還是照舊?我們必須大大地改變自己,必須轉化自己,進入一種新的思維方式。那是非常非常重要的。

我希望你們會思考我今天對你們所說的。不要過著一種不能帶給你們任何幸福的生活。你們的朋友是霎哈嘉瑜伽士。改變你們的朋友。改變你們的生活方式。你們會享受更多。這是為了讓你們去理解自己和霎哈嘉瑜伽的重要性。

除非它成為一項企業經營,否則沒有人會認真對待它。這是西方的思維方式,它必須——這到底是騙人的還是真正的企業經營,都不重要,只要是金錢交易,大家都會行動起來。但是,當提到霎哈嘉瑜伽,他們就會沒有時間,甚至連冥想也沒有時間。因為我們還沒有愛,我們還沒有在內在感受到那種愛。我希望你們都能感受到那種愛的深度。然後,你們就會為了自己和他人全力以赴行動起來。

I would like to have some questions from you, Sahaj Yogis, if possible. But somebody should try to give him, he can get it in no time, Realisation.

Is there any question? Ask me – anything practical. Because we have very few new people today, we can just have a very nice chat.

Lady: Would you explain to me about sometimes, when people say if you put your legs out like that it’s just not good and you should have them underneath– what’s wrong? I mean if it’s not a sexual tantalisation or something, what’s wrong with having your legs just stretching out in front of you?

Shri Mataji: In front of me? Will you do to the Queen?

Lady: No, no, I’m sorry.

Shri Mataji: No, no, what I am saying, will you do to the Queen of England?

Lady: No, no. If you are alone, now what happens?

Shri Mataji: Hum?

Lady: I don’t mean if somebody’s there.

Shri Mataji: Before my photograph? Will you spit at?

Lady: When you sit to meditate.

Shri Mataji: No, no, what I’m saying if your Queen’s photograph is there, will you spit at her?

Lady: Is that a spit?

Shri Mataji: Yes, it is! It is an insult. Putting your feet towards somebody is an insult. Is a common thing!

Lady: Is it only a custom in India?

Shri Mataji: No, no, it is a custom everywhere in the whole world. You have lost all your traditions, doesn’t mean that there were no such traditions of putting away feet on somebody. Imagine, somebody coming down to see you, somebody whom you have to respect, you put your feet up? I mean, anybody can understand, even a child understands this.

You see the sense of our respect has come to us from inside, not from outside. It’s not rationality. It has come to us from our unconscious. We know how we respect.

Say somebody would say that, “What’s wrong in talking like this to someone?” You see, supposing somebody says, now you know that, even a child knows, if he is talking to elders, he’ll put down his head.

But here, you see everybody is so abnormal. You don’t know how to do everything because everything is rationalised, you see. Tomorrow, you might say, “What’s wrong if I stand on my head?” I mean, “Do it”, but that’s not the way. There are certain normal ways of protocol, of praying. How do you pray in the church? Imagine, in the church you go and sit with both your feet towards the priest. What will he say? “Put down your feet!”

These things are innate within us. Human beings know already lots of things.

They are not animals. They know lots of things already. You don’t know how many things are built in you. In a very beautiful way in your understanding, as a human being, you know so many things. Nowhere in the world you’ll find anybody putting up their feet before anyone whom you respect. It’s not a sign of respect.

There’s no question of India or anything. Only thing in India, people have yet preserved all their sense of respect. In other places, they have so rationalised and so ego-oriented that they have no respect for anyone whatsoever.

Lady: You take it only as a sign of respect. Supposing that somebody is sitting alone and they don’t have Your picture or they don’t have anything, is it all right to stretch their legs?

Shri Mataji: Then it’s all right. I mean, you see it is.

Lady: Somebody said that if you put your legs out it’s creating some bad energy or something. That’s why I wanted to check.

Shri Mataji: No, no not that way, not losing energy. I was just thinking about stretching the feet before somebody whom you respect.

Say, my Photograph is there or I am there. Now, you respect me. Isn’t it? Then you will not like to sit with the feet. That’s what I’m trying to say.

But, you see, losing energy and all that is not there at all. Who told you that? That’s not. You sleep like that. You don’t sleep with the feet on the ground. How can it be? If anybody says that, you should not take it for granted. You see I think all this is not so important also. Even you sleep, how do you sleep? I mean, it is so simple and natural.

You know this is what’s happening with rationality. See, very simple things become so funny that you, I don’t know what to say. That’s why I said a horn will be growing from here, all of you intellectuals. You’ll be having a big horn coming out so people will know, “All right, all right, we know these people.” Nobody will face them.

You see, this so simple. Because you are so complicated, all simple things look so horrid. Is a question of respect and is a question of – if you are sleeping, of course you stretch your feet like that, straight. It’s all right. While you sit down, you can sit like that, there’s no harm. You need not be cross-legged all the time. It’s not necessary. If you are doing some sort of a exercise or something, you can be like that.

But everything, now say, for example, you have got hands. Now this is for many purposes, all right? It is for taking vibrations, it is for eating, it is for scratching.

Now, if you are eating at that time if you want to scratch, now what to do? It’s a question like that. See whatever you have to do, you do at that right time, with the way you want to do. If you need your feet for something – running, you should run. When you have to sit down, you should sit down. When you have to sleep you must sleep. I mean this is normal.

Sahaj Yogis does not mean that you should cut your noses. No, it doesn’t mean that. It means you have to be more beautiful. It doesn’t matter, you see even if you bend ten times, but it does matter if you pull back yourself, even once. Doesn’t matter, to be humble, to be more humble and more humble, is so sweet and good. You see, makes you more cultured, more harmonious and beautiful.

Man: I have a problem.

Shri Mataji: What’s it?

Man: I’ve been, in my humble way, devoted myself, to the spiritual realisation of myself, I adopted meditation, I completely lost number of years. I realised that state in subtle awareness and I feel myself highly elevated from this material world, the feeling of bliss, absolute peace, happiness and joy. And, I see the Spirit which I construct upon in a very glorious, boarded way, in a boarded, shut boarded way.

That state continues for some time, but doesn’t stay for a long time, for a long number of days. After a short time again I find I come down. And this goes like a curve, and when I find that from the height I have come down, I feel a little disturbed, why it is happening.

And, I have found that the more I detach myself from my family, from my work, from my friends, from other things, the lighter I feel and the greater number of peace I get from meditation.

Now, the trouble is this. About one year ago, when I would see a beautiful girl, a beautiful lady, I would remain restless perhaps for two days, three days or something like that. When I learnt about Patanjali’s yoga –

Shri Mataji: What yoga is this?

Man: Beg Your pardon?

Shri Mataji: What yoga are you doing?

Man: Now, I’m just saying that now, I’m perfectly all right.

Shri Mataji: What was that you did? What yoga did you do?

Man: Well, as a matter of fact, I’m not following any yoga as such but I have studied Patanjali.

Shri Mataji: Patanjali, all right.

Man: And, then when I met ... Now the concern is this: that attraction which I used to have some time back is eliminated. But still, I do find a stern will within myself, to maintain that state of mind which gives me lot of bliss, for that moment it disappears, and then again I revert to that. That is my personal problem. I think I’ve tried to be very open.

Shri Mataji: Yes, yes, that’s correct. All right. Now, the first thing is what chakras are catching?

Man: Left Swadishthana.

Shri Mataji: That’s it.

Now see, to do Patanjali was a mistake in the very beginning. As a Mother, I must tell you frankly, all right? Because Patanjali cannot be done unless and until you have some realised guru behind it. If you start doing it, it is unauthorised, you see. It is an unauthorised thing to do.

Like, supposing I am not a policeman and I start behaving like a policeman, I’ll be arrested. In the same way, you did it in an unauthorised way. By doing in an unauthorised way you have started in the wrong direction altogether. The direction was wrong. And the bliss and all that you get it, is not the bliss that we are talking about.

That’s a bliss one gets when you shirk responsibility, you can get it. You see, if you can get out of your family and children and all that, one can feel blissful if he thinks that it is having a sort of a pressure on you or a kind of attachment or something.

But in Sahaj Yoga what happens is that you become a personality when you are in the drama but you are just seeing it. You become a sakshi (witness). That should happen. That’s the reality. That’s how it should happen. Once it happens to you, then you will just start seeing the whole thing as a drama.

Man: Yes.

Shri Mataji: You understand?

Shri Mataji: What is he saying?

Sahaja Yogi: He feels a slight cool breeze.

Shri Mataji: He is getting. Yes, he is a realised-soul. Yes, he got Realisation. He got it.

What about this gentleman here, in front of you Marcus?

Question: (inaudible)

Shri Mataji: So, it should happen in the most natural way, in a spontaneous way. And, God has given you that ankura which is called as Kundalini, which of course you know. Kabira and all these people have talked about.

But it is a Sahaj method, it just happens to you, with a realised-soul only. You cannot do it yourself. If you try to do it, you will be making a mistake. And that’s what has happened in you.

So now we have to completely sort of neutralise the effects of that. And then we’ll raise your Kundalini by which you’ll get your Realisation, by which, gradually you will get your vibrations, and you’ll start understanding. All right?

So, you just now forget about what you have done, and it’s going to work out. Then it’s a permanent thing.

What about his vibration Marcus?

Marcus: Vishuddhi.

Shri Mataji: Left or right?

You’ve got your Realisation is it? I’m asking him.

Other man: Yes.

Shri Mataji: Is it all right? There’s a catch on the left is it? Are you feeling something? You get what?

Other man: I have a slight pain on my leg.

Shri Mataji: Hmm.

Anybody who has any problems about chakras, anyone of the Sahaj Yogis, anybody who has any problem about their own chakras, please ask me. Because next time we’ll be having lots of people here, then we won’t be able to talk, so better ask me about it.

Dinesh what is your problem?

Dinesh: My problem? Hmm.

Shri Mataji: Agnya. I can see that clearly, from here. You have to forgive people. Do you understand that? Forgive, and forgive.

What about her vibrations? Now just see.

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Shri Mataji: You have not been?

Seeker: I have not been here very much.

Shri Mataji: All right. But have you been practicing?

Seeker: I’ve practiced and I stopped practicing for a while.

Shri Mataji: Why?

Seeker: Hmm.

Shri Mataji: Now, what have you been practicing? Did you take vibrations and did you cleanse yourself?

Seeker: No (Inaudible) I didn’t take footsoaks.

Shri Mataji: Foot bath.

Seeker: I didn’t know when to use ...

Shri Mataji: Any time. Evening is better. So, what is it then?

Seeker: Sorry?

Shri Mataji: What? You are not feeling anything in your hand?

Seeker: No. (Inaudible.)

Shri Mataji: In which fingers are you feeling the tingling?

Seeker: In most of them.

Shri Mataji: Most of them? Oh, God! (laughing) So, where have you been before coming to me? To what group you have been?

Seeker: I go to Zen.

Shri Mataji: What does he do?

Seeker: He taught us seeing into your original face.

Shri Mataji: What does he say?

Seeker: Look to your original face. That’s Zen.

Shri Mataji: Zen.

Seeker: Yes.

Shri Mataji: But he is not a realised-soul. You see, this is Zen, what else I am teaching here? Do you realise? Sahaj Yoga is nothing else but Zen, simple Zen!

Unless and until you are realised, how are you going to see into the original? How are you going to penetrate into that? This is simple Zen I’m telling.

So, what is he doing here, your friend? He has got a class or something?

Seeker: No. He’s just a friend. He writes and teaches us things.

Shri Mataji: What’s the use of writing without understanding? You cannot copy Zen, you have to be there.

See, there were only twenty-six kashyapas in the sixth centuries there – ‘kashyapas’ means realised-souls – in the Zen system, so far. And now we have so many of them here. So, this is Zen, nothing else but Zen. You must understand.

You tell him to come and see me sometimes. You see, this is all artificial, you cannot copy people. You have to get it; you understand my point?

Seeker: But I’m not sure. (Inaudible) I have problems.

Shri Mataji: What is it?

Seeker: One time I was in hospital, for several times.

Shri Mataji: Yes. You have been.

Seeker: Yes.

Shri Mataji: No, that’s true, but what I’m saying is that, for that, you should take your treatment. All right? We have some treatments here. Do you know what we give for that?

Seeker: (Inaudible).

Shri Mataji: Yes, did you bring that?

Seeker: I did yes.

Shri Mataji: You did once.

Seeker: Yes. I just had it two times.

Shri Mataji: All right. Now both the hands you are getting the tingling or one hand?

(Shri Mataji speaks in Hindi to a Sahaj Yogi and asks where is the tingling.)

Shri Mataji: It will be, gradually, it will be settling down. You see, it has to settle down within you.

He’s come with you, is it?

Sahaja Yogi: Yes. ...

Shri Mataji: All right, just see his vibrations, you can see yourself. Left Side is very weak. All right.

Now what about you, both the hands or left hand?

Seeker: (Inaudible.)

Shri Mataji: Where?

Seeker: (Inaudible.)

Shri Mataji: Some are sitting here you see. (Shri Mataji is laughing.) Changing very fast.

Give a Realisation to the man who is in the corner there.

He is getting? He hasn’t got it yet?

Sahaja Yogini: No...

Shri Mataji: Ah? I never knew. Really? You’ve been to something, no? Come, let’s see! Come on my feet.