Nabhi Chakra 1983-01-31
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31 January 1983
Nabhi Chakra
Public Program
New Delhi (India)
Talk Language: English | Transcript (English) – Draft
Nabhi Chakra. Delhi (India), 31 January 1983.
The music was very fine and elevating to all of you. The effect of music in Sahaja Yoga is tremendous, and if a Sahaja Yogi sings the song, it’s so great that it acts like a mantra upon my being. So, I’m very thankful to Mrs. Venogopalan for singing such a beautiful song today. It stirred Me completely. Then Gavin Brown was very sweet. He’s an Englishman, very gentle and a very steady Sahaja Yogi. He’s one of the first Western Sahaja Yogis I met.
Today I will tell you about the Nabhi Chakra which deals with this honesty of seeking. Nabhi Chakra is the center which controls or manifests outside in the gross as Solar Plexus. Nabhi Chakra has two sides: one is the left, another the right, and one in the center. So, on the left-hand side is the Gruha Lakshmi, on the right-hand side is the Raja Lakshmi or Gaja Lakshmi and in the center is the Lakshmi which ascends into Mahalakshmi.
When the seeking starts, a human being first starts seeking food. Food is very important for all the animals. If they have no food then they cannot exist. So the seeking starts with food, and when the shelter is sought, they try to find the water.
So, this center is made of water and in this center resides the Deity of Shri Vishnu or Narayana; and His power, as I told you, is Lakshmi and then Mahalakshmi. You will find out in Sahaja Yoga that gradually you start developing one power and then the other.
Everyone who comes to Sahaja Yoga, if they are truthful and not involved with any wrong things, then definitely they are helped in Lakshmi Tattwa, means their well-being is looked after. As Krishna has said, “Yoga kshema vahaamya.” So, He looks after the ‘kshema’ [comfort] part of it. Everyone who has been to Sahaja Yoga has been helped miraculously also in the Lakshmi Tattva, that means materially. In so many ways they are helped, that one has to just see for themselves how these miracles take place.
An example is of a villager who had a small little holding of land and he was living hand to mouth, every day. When he came to Me, after some time I found he would bring one garland, big garland, for Me every evening. And he was away in the village every day he would attend My program. I was quite surprised that how could he afford it, and I asked him, “How can you afford a garland for Me every day? You shouldn’t bring it, it’s not proper.”
So, he said, “Mother, You know everything.” I said, “Why, what happened?” He said, “I have a plot of land next to mine which we never used because it was absolutely a barren land – little bit, not much big land, but a small land, piece of land. And after Realization, I used to always go walk over it, bare feet, to plough this little piece of land that I had. After some time when I was coming here after that, one gentleman came to see me and he said that “This piece of land that you have is very precious.”
He said, “What’s the problem?” He said that “I have a kiln of bricks, and I have seen that even by chance – Sahaja – we mixed a little clay from this soil, from this part of the land that you have, and we found that our bricks have become so good and so strong that we would like to purchase this clay from you at the price of seers.” And that’s how he started getting money sufficient for him and he became much better off.
But in Sahaja Yoga, one has to remember you don’t go to extremes, in any principle. That is one thing people should know, that you don’t go to extremes. You don’t become extremely rich. I’ve seen those people who are extremely rich, when they come to Sahaja Yoga, they are a big headache, very big headache.
If they are sick, if you cure them of their heart trouble, then they try to possess you. They will get all the heart patients, they will get all kinds of patients to you, you go on tolerating it, they try to possess you. They immediately start talking about their cures to everyone, they publish in papers, this thing, that thing, it’s impossible. And they just try to overpower you. Without any appointment they’ll arrive and they would expect you to attend to them immediately, it’s terrible. And then they’ll send all their relations for cure and you have to show all patience, all their friends, they become like agents. All their patients, all their relations, all their friends, they want to oblige them and spare no love, no affection, nothing further.
The Sahaja Yogis, if they try to say that: “No, you shouldn’t do like that and all that,” they feel insulted. And they all try curing much faster than anybody else does. They themselves are weak, they are sick people themselves, heart patient, this patient, that, but if you tell them, “Don’t cure” they’ll feel bad. If you don’t tell them, they’ll get sick and you’ll have another problem. They never try to understand Sahaja Yoga in its big way. They just want to see it according to their own way of ego that they have accumulated with their money. And they never know how they go on hurting everyone by overpowering Me all the time. It’s very amazing, whenever I cure a rich man, I’ve been wanting to run away from that person. I would never go to their house, I would not like to eat in their house. It’s a very bad thing.
So, too much of riches is also not good, because it gives you a tremendous ego that you don’t see yourself, and anybody tries to say anything protect oneself, then such a person feels insulted or humiliated. Not only that, but they try to hold Me and hold the whole thing according to their business ways which is impossible.
See, they have to gain money, they have another attitude because they are miserly. I don’t have to earn money or anything. If I am doing anything, I’m, really, in a way, I’m obliging. Isn’t it? But they will force on Me all their rules and regulations, everything, without having their own discipline.
So very rich people in Sahaja Yoga so far have been extremely troublesome, I should say, to Me and to the whole organization. They are very narrow-minded. They cannot see the big vision that I have before Me.
Whatever little ideas they have about themselves and about their own thinking, reading, they will try to push onto Sahaja Yoga. It’s not My experience once, but many a times. Then somehow or other it so happens that they drop out.
So, too much richness gives you a tremendous ego, worse than even, I would say, a bulldog. It’s impossible for a rich man to see that all these riches are outside him. They are not inside him. He has to be rich in heart to understand compassion. Compassion doesn’t mean that you give alms to others, or if you give money to others, it’s not that. On the contrary, you just have beggars by doing that. Compassion is that works, compassion is that flows, compassion is that manifests. It is not in compassion where you can make it materialize it: “All right, come along I’ll give you a hundred rupees.” On the contrary, giving somebody a hundred rupees is the worst. I have tried this with some Sahaja Yogis who were with Me. I tried to give them some money some time as they were very poor. They became horrid. Some of them started drinking, some of them took to some other ways and they became sort of addicted to money. It was impossible. And they tried to spoil as many Sahaja Yogis as they could.
So, such people if they come, it’s impossible to manage them. They are not Sahaja Yogis because they are asahaja. They are still sticking to the idea that they have so much money, that they are so rich and they can overpower everyone with money. Not Me, I’m sorry. But only thing I feel sorry for them, that they cannot get to God. There is no honesty of seeking in them, there is no honesty of seeking. The elite people whom I have addressed so many places like this, because some people whom I have cured wanted Me to address the elite, so-called. I think they are elated, to Me what they are, they don’t want to be in Sahaja Yoga. They are already eliminated, I sometimes feel. Thousands of them I’ve addressed, I’ve wasted My time with them. They are good for nothing, absolutely empty people.
They are very happy because they have a few cars, some houses or something like that. I too have all these things; I would say so-called riches. I have always seen from My father’s side and from My husband’s side. I don’t understand what is there to be proud of this emptiness. But human beings are such, a empty vessel makes a big sound, in the same way, an empty rich man makes a very big sound.
Not that the very poor are also good, because those who are extremely poor are busy with their food problems. They have little, little problems and their values are still have to come up to a point. It’s only in the middle you can work out Sahaja Yoga better. Those who are extremely rich and proud cannot come to Sahaja Yoga easily. Those who are very poor also cannot come to Sahaja Yoga.
But when this middle part of the river is enriched and starts flowing, then it spreads on the sides and then it can engulf. But you cannot start it the other way round. I have tried.
I have tried both ways and I have told you what happened. Whom I gave money, whom I tried to help through giving money became wayward, useless, frivolous people, got lost to Sahaja Yoga. And those whom I thought were moneyed and satisfied people had another role to play is to possess Me all the time, to use Me all the time whenever they wanted, for whatever purpose they wanted to use Me. And they must know, you cannot possess Me, you cannot possess Me, but this kind of an ignorance still in their minds is that they can possess God, they can possess everything. For such people there are no reasons to come to Sahaja Yoga, to be very frank. And even if they come to Sahaja Yoga, they have to know that for Mother richness of heart, understanding of Sahaja Yoga, humility, non-possessiveness are very important.
In this ascent of yours, money is not important at all. Even if you are poor or rich, you get your Realization. For example, I went to Maharashtra, most of them are, I would say, very poor people in the sense that they are not middle class at all. They are not educated; they are sometimes factory workers or they have small holdings. Not very rich. But they are very good Sahaja Yogis, excellent Sahaja Yogis. They have such beautiful eyes and such beautiful feeling and such compassion that Lakshmi Tattva is absolutely balanced in them.
You know that Lakshmi is shown to be a lady, and lady who is a mother. Mother doesn’t care whether you are rich or poor. If her one son is rich and another is poor, she’ll pay more attention to the poor and ask the rich to give his money to the poor also. She is not bothered. If somebody is in need, she will be the first to help the person who needs. Now this is a spiritual thing in the spiritual life. The person who is a real seeker, who is a truthful seeker, the Mother will go out of the way to be with that person. And those who are not honest about it, Mother will try somehow or another cut them short.
The problem that lies with human beings is that they do not know what they want. They think they want first of all money. But those who have money, they think they must have power. If they have too much money, they think that they must go into politics, because they have had no power. Then they fail in politics, or say they become too much in politics, whatever it is, then they want love from their children which they can’t get, because they are too busy or something like that. So they don’t know what they want. Those who believe that by having money will be better off, should listen to all these people who have come from affluent countries and they will tell you how things have gone wrong there, how people are ruined, what’s going wrong with them, absolutely they are in a bad shape. You cannot call them human beings because they are so cruel, they kill even their own children, and that society tolerates such people. In India if you hear somebody killing a child, I have never heard so far in the sixty years of My life, but supposing you hear someone has killed his daughter or son, nobody will ever look at that person. He will not be allowed in the society, nobody will even give any girl in the marriage to such a – I mean, his daughter or a son. He’ll be absolutely barred from the society. No one can think of such a relationship between children and parents.
And then there are funny relationships also, it’s something so absurd, on both the sides on cruelty and on morality, they are so absurd, it’s impossible to understand. So money has given this ego and they say, “What’s wrong? What’s wrong?” It’s absolutely malignant attitude. When you say, “What’s wrong?” that means you do not want to keep your relationship with the whole. You do not want to keep your relationship with the Primordial One, the One who has you, everyone within Himself. We are part and parcel of the whole. And how can you say, “What’s wrong? I do what I like.” You just become like a malignant cell. So at the Nabhi Chakra one has to know that one should not hanker after money too much.
Now those who hanker too much after money, may develop their right side better, they may have money, no doubt. But they miss their left side. Left side is Gruha Lakshmi, they have no Gruha Lakshmi in their house. They are very hectic people, they run about, they run the rat race, they get heart attacks, if not heart attacks, they will get leukemia, they’ll get diabetes, liver, all such things, because their attention is on money and not on God. So, either you are on the right or on the left.
Those who are very emotional people, extremely emotional, more worried about their family; for them family is everything, the relations are everything, they are like that, they may not have so much of Lakshmi because they distribute all the Lakshmi. But still they are better people. But sometimes, such people who sacrifice so much for others, give up everything that they have, can become crazy, because they’ll find people do not reciprocate, they do not return their love, they do not understand what they have done. So going to the extreme of helping others can cause trouble to the person who does this job, and also trouble to people who have taken free money from him, because if you distribute free money to people what will happen?
I’ll give you a simple example of America helping India. When Americans helped India, they thought they were doing a great favour to India, which was a wrong thing. Because whatever they give, whatever they did was lost in the wilderness, nobody tried to maintain it, it was free. But by giving that they showed the contempt. And when they gave some wheat and rice to India there was no grace about it, because they put some sort of a seed in it which created two horrible things in the villages. One was called as “congress grass” because it came from America. And another was called as a mad acacia, Babool, as we call it, mad babool. These trees have grown so much in the villages that they don’t know what to do with them. They have such big, big thorns that anyone who is stung by them can even die. They are very poisonous and if the children get it, they get such poisonous problems that they cannot be cured. This is how American government has helped us. Now who’s going to tell them what you have done so ungraciously? It was better to starve than to get any help from anyone.
Long time back I had said that it is better to starve in this country than to get any help from these wretched, horrible Western countries who think no end of themselves. You just pamper their ego for nothing at all. What have they got? They have just plastic affluence. But this ego out of money makes them so stupid that they don’t know what’s happening in their own country: how their country’s going down in every way, how their people are going down. Either they are in fear or they are abandoned. Otherwise they are communist or they are so-called capitalist where they are just abandoned. If you go and see that country, I mean you can’t sit like this anywhere and talk in the outside, somebody might come and murder someone. If you walk in the dark you can be murdered. In America, so called advanced country of America, in New York City.
So this kind of riches we are trying to aspire, especially people in Delhi are very anxious to aspire lot of money. I don’t know how, why Punjabis, Gujaratis and Maarwadis have taken to this - Maarwadis are another style - how the Punjabis and the Gujaratis are trying to acquire the money. And when I see them abroad I just don’t know if they are anywhere near India, horrible people. They have no culture left in them that is Indian. They are absolutely outward. They think no end of themselves, they think they have reached the heavens.
Then, if you see their Nabhi Chakra, you’ll be amazed, all of them suffer from horrible livers, high blood pressure, diabetes, heart attacks and they drink like fish. Especially Sardarjis, I was surprised who are supposed to be in the name of God, they drink like fish. They are very particular about wearing a Puggadi and a Dhari, but while drinking they don’t mind. Every Sardarji you go to, has a big bar in his house, where even a lord does not have because it is regarded as very vulgar in England. Without learning any aesthetics of that country, they have become just like “agri-culture” – there is no culture. [Laughs; it’s a joke “a” means without] Is a fact. This is what money has done to them, they have no respect for themselves!
So, this Lakshmi Tattva is to be balanced. Same about these Gujaratis who have gone. Another kind lives here, the Maarwadis. Less said the better about these horrible Maarwadis. I don’t think anyone of them will ever get Realization or a place in the Kingdom of God.
They are blood suckers. They are not human beings. For money’s sake, they’ll suck the blood like juice, suck the blood, and now they had a nice time.
This is not a world for you to seek money. You have come on this earth as a human being to seek God, to seek your Spirit, to be one with your Self, to be in that peaceful place which is the Kingdom of God, which is the Kingdom of Heaven, and not to jump into a mire which looks very beautiful but is not really beautiful. It’s agonizing, it’s terrorizing, people can’t sleep if they have too much money, because they don’t know what to do with that.
Here also all those who have got money, they don’t know when the income tax will come on them. I have solved My income tax problem by having no income at all. I have no income, no income tax, so I’m not worried about the Income Tax Commissioner. He cannot control Me. Best is not to have more income that is to be taxed, otherwise you’ll have to have another income tax lawyer, like My brother is.
I told him, “I don’t need you at all, all My life, thank you very much.” [Laughs]
You get so absolutely free, on top of the world if you have no income. Like if you want to solve your car problem, never learn driving. Somebody drives you down or nothing, you can walk with your feet.
The accumulation of all these nonsensical things have caused us all this tension, so-called: “How much we have to pay? What is the income tax? Tomorrow the police is going to come in my house?” If they come to Me I’ll say: “All right, have everything that you have, nothing there, certain bills which I have not paid, that’s all, which let them pay.”
One has to live with complete freedom in this world. And to achieve that freedom, one has to know that the priorities should be all right. If money is your priority, you have it.
No, not Me. If you want to give Me money: “No Sir,” I won’t at any cost. You can give Me flowers, this, that, all right, but no money at all. I don’t want to know about money at all, it’s a headache.”
In the same way, we do not realize that having relationships – brother, sister or son, this and that – is another big headache. That doesn’t mean that you should start beating them, but people can sell their country for the sake of their children. It’s a very dangerous thing, horrible, that kind of an attachment, the mamatva [sense of ownership; arrogance]. This is my son, finished. If he’s your son then you can murder anyone you feel like, you can do what you like because he is your son. He is not somebody’s son whom you are murdering? This mamatva that comes – “My husband.” Specially our Indian women. “My husband” immediately starts problem.
All this comes out of ignorance. Of course, love has to be there. But love never gives you attachment, because it is wise, it is wisdom. Supposing in a tree the sap of the tree goes and gets fixed in one fruit because it loves. “It’s mine.” Then what happens to the rest of the tree? It dies and that fruit also dies. So this mamatva has to go out. But by telling it will not go, by just advising it will not go. Even if you suffer, I have seen so many people coming to Me: “My own father deceived me. My own son deceived me.” I said: “Which one is your own? The one who deceived you? Is not your own.”
“My husband.” There are some ladies who eat My head out of their husbands. “My husband did this, my husband did this, my husband did this.” Baba, why don’t you hit him hard and finish with it? [Laughs]
But it’s so much accepted, this mamatva, this attachment. Attachment to money, attachment to people, attachment to this, is nothing but a hook which hooks you to baser levels. You have to rise above this, and then you really enjoy the beauty of richness. As I told you the other day, I see all beautiful things. It’s nice, I don’t possess them. See now these carpets are spread here. If they were Mine, I should worry, “Oh God, now I hope they are not going to be spoilt. I hope nobody sits on them. I hope they are insured, [Laughs] so nobody runs away with that.” But when they don’t belong to Me, I’m enjoying them better. Other people’s things is a better idea.
This myth carries us to such an extent of stupidity, that sometimes I feel whether these human beings are human beings, or they are their possessions. Their Spirit is lost, everything is lost, they’re not bothered. But if their little position is lost, they weep and wail, as if they are dead, their forefathers are dead hundred times.
But people like Me are just batchas, emperors. They are not bothered. To them, comfort cannot capture, they don’t need any comfort. If you have comfort it crawls upon you, it makes you a slave, too. If you seek comfort, you are in for enslavement, take it from Me. Any kind of comfort.
It’s only human beings who can become really so crazy. No animal can become.
There is another type of a comfort, is that a mental idea, that everybody must appreciate, and that you should be able to overpower others. This also comes, I think, from Nabhi Chakra. Is a kind of a feeling that you should be able to overpower many people, they should all look at you.
These days, in London, there are women who are suffering from a funny disease called anorexia, where they just don't eat. Women just don't eat because they should be thin and skinny. For what? For what you should be thin and skinny? Because you look attractive, but for what? I don't think skinny people look attractive by any chance. Horrible they are. They create only pity and you feel, you know, repulsive about the whole stuff.
Once a beauty queen came to see Me. I thought she was a T.B. patient. And I said, “You look all right but it seems you are a T.B. patient.” She said, “No Mother, I've got a beauty prize.” “Yes? Who were the people? Doctors must have given it because they want some patients there.” This is the trouble, we go out of the way to trouble our Nabhi, not to eat your food, fasting. If you want to fast this life, next life you will not have any food. Thank you very much. No food. Fasting? All right, you’ll have a permanent fasting. What do you say?
You don't have to do any fasting. Why do you want to fast? And even if you want to fast because you want to change the timing or maybe for your health's sake, it's all right. But why in the name of God you want to malign Me? You have got everything to eat and you don’t want to eat. Those who have got food to eat, they don’t want to eat. Next life they become poor and then they blame the rich. But last life, you've been wanting to fast, so this life you are not given any food, because you asked for it.
And that is how also the Nabhi Chakra gets you twisted, when you fast like mad. There is no need to fast in the name of God. God has given you all the wealth, all the beauty, all the love.
Actually, in Sahaja Yoga if you fast in My name, I think it's horrible because if you want to trouble your Mother or to make Her uneasy, or to take a revenge on Her, then you say, “Mother, I'm not going to eat my food.” Then Mother is finished. That's the best way to conquer Her. To say, “Mother I'm not going to eat my food.” So, this kind of a mad fasting is also very bad for your Nabhi and when you do that then you have a problem because you are invaded by your left-sided, what you call, beyond the Ida Nadi, you have the collective subconscious; and you are invaded by them. And you are in for trouble, physically, mentally, emotionally.
And mostly those people who fast are very hot tempered. The day they are fasting day is there, never go near them. Because they are already planning what they are going to eat. And in the morning they plan and they don't get it, so they are very angry for that part. All these asahaja things are not going to help you. You have to be normal people. You don't have to put up into tension yourself for Sahaja Yoga, nothing. Be normal. Be nice people. Don't torture yourself. That is one point on the Nabhi on the left-hand side and on the right-hand side: don't get into indulgences. Don't pamper yourself. Both things are the same for Sahaja Yoga. Whether you starve or you overeat, is the same. There is no difference between the two, because if you are not on the seat, whether you are on the left falling on the right, does it make any difference?
So to be on the seat is to be in the blessings of Shri Lakshmi. And I have described to you how Shri Lakshmi is a lady and in Her left hand She has got two lotuses and the right, one lotus, and right hand another lotus on top, which shows a person who is balancing. She’s balancing on a lotus. Imagine. She’s standing on a lotus. That means She is balancing. And She’s balancing, She’s standing there and She is holding two lotuses in Her hand showing that She’s like a lotus.
A person who is a rich man, lakshmipati, has to be like a lotus, warm, pink, warm. And even a horrible thing, [Shri Mataji asks in Hindi for translation] like wasp-like thing. I don’t know what you call it in English, you don’t have that black thing. We have a very black wasp, you see, which is hard, hard like nut and has angular thorny legs. That black thing comes in and is good for nothing, but it comes in for the residence, for the 'ashraya' [shelter], the lotus keeps it on top of it’s corolla, which is a very, very soft thing, with all love. And in the night it closes down so that the poor insect who is just like a nut should not get any trouble from the outside weather. Like a mother who takes the child in the armchair, that love should be there for a Lakshmi Pati. How many are lakshmipati’s like that? Have you seen any?
If they see somebody who is coming with money propositions, then they may open their doors. Otherwise, they have no love for anybody. For those who come for their ashrayas, for their help, they are not there.
On the other side are the people who are so repulsive. They are not like lotus. There is no fragrance. They are such miserly people that they stink of miserliness. While the lotus gives its fragrance through that mud, to that horrible thing that even the little worms which crawl upon those lotus petals smell of those beautiful fragrances. This is what it has to be. It has to give. It has to be cosy. It has to be cosy. It has to be welcoming.
Then another hand is giving. The Lakshmi is always giving. She doesn’t receive; She just gives. If you are really a Lakshmipati you don’t want to have anything from anyone. You don’t receive. If you are really rich, who can enrich you more? What can you give to a person who is fully rich? There is no way of entering into it now it’s all up to the brim. He’s rich up to the brim. Then what do you give? You cannot give anything. But where you have to give means that he’s a beggar - he’s still a beggar. All of these so-called rich people who still are hankering money are still beggars, they are not rich. They may think themselves. Empty vessels, but they are not rich because they are still expecting money.
So, it is important that we should understand, the money is not the way. Money takes us away from dharma. It takes us away from God. It takes us away from reality. It covers our eyes. We don’t think that we have to follow a path of righteousness and of virtue because we think we are rich, God is going to be afraid of us. We can even purchase Him and can manage Him by giving some bribes. That’s not so. You must face yourself. You have to face yourself. That it’s not the money that’s going to give you that elation, that higher life, but it is the love of God, the honesty of seeking, honesty. That is the quality of this chakra is the Satya [truth], Vishnu, is the Satya. He’s the Narayana. Narayana means Satya. So there cannot be Satya Narayan, isn’t it? Narayan is Satya, then how can there be Satya Narayan? But we have many Satya Narayana Pujas. For all these Satya Narayanas, Sahaja Yogis are not supposed to go. They can only go to Narayana Puja because Satya Narayana is that path which is added to it for camouflaging, is meant for these horrible Brahmins who make you pay. For what?
Sahaja Yogis are not allowed to go to Satya Narayana Puja. They can have Narayana Puja. And what is Narayana ultimately becomes? In the Nabhi Chakra Narayana existed since He was created by the Devi. And It looks after the seeking, the nourishing of the seeking like a father, and then It incarnates again and again and again to help our seeking to a higher position and a higher position till it reaches a point where you start seeking God Almighty.
Then you jump into the Shakti of Mahalakshmi. Then you are in the hands of Mahalakshmi Shakti. Means Lakshmi evolves into Mahalakshmi principle. Now this Mahalakshmi principle resides in the central path of Sushumna. And this central path of Sushumna is to be established fully and awakened when the Kundalini rises. When the Kundalini does not rise, this path is kept absolutely blank. It is absolutely blank, there is nothing in it except for the Deities who are lying without any light with them. When the Kundalini rises, then only these deities get awakened and when they get awakened this Sushumna path, this central path of Mahalakshmi starts acting as the balancing power, to begin with at the Nabhi chakra.
So, Nabhi Chakra is surrounded by ten Gurus, the Prophets who give you the balance, who come on this earth again and again to give you balance in life. They tell you, “don’t do this, don’t do that.” But we don’t listen to them, we don’t accept them. We may say that we follow such guru, such guru. Like, you know Muslims are. They say, “We follow Mohammed Sahib.” Now if Mohammed Sahib has said anything it is that don’t drink, is the thing he said. But I’ve yet to come across a Muslim who doesn’t drink. They may not drink in Riyadh because they’ll be killed there. But if they come to London, they drink. Actually, when My husband went to Saudi Arabia they said, “You are the only Muslim we have ever come across.” It’s true. Whatever is said to them, they do just the opposite of that. At that time there were no cigarettes, no tobaccos, so He didn’t say about that so they have found a loophole. Muslims smoke, doesn’t matter, because Mohammed Sahib never said.
Mohammed Sahib had to take another birth to come as Guru Nanaka to tell them, “Oh, God. Now you are smoking this horrible thing has come, now you don’t smoke.” But who will accept that Nanaka and Mohammed Sahib were the same people? No difference. Same thing it was. We can prove it in Sahaja Yoga. We can prove it, how important it is that we should know that they were all the same, and that they stood for the same thing, but at a period.
Now today you have got ganja, I don’t know the names also of all these things what you drink and smoke, God knows what. Human beings are really clever to get everything that can destroy you. It's like, call a bull, “come and hit me.” It's like that. If there’s not a bull then you’ll like ask a buffalo, “come and hit me.” Now there's no buffalo, all right, you ask an elephant, “come and stampede me.” It's like that. Human beings are so stupid. So now supposing, I say, if I write down a list of all the things you drink and smoke, I don't know how many things there are in this world, then you'll find out the third thing when I die, that “Mataji didn't say this one.” So we should do it. [Laughter] Very intelligent. All the time destroying your central path, and nicely managing through that. Is this the way are you going to go to God by any chance? Is this the way are you following the great incarnations who came on this earth? So, the balancing comes through Nabhi and Nabhi looks after you and teaches you how to behave.
For example, now your Left Nabhi is Gruha Lakshmi. Gruha Lakshmi is the Deity of the household. But if you have too much outward type, you're running a mad race. So, early in the morning you get up, read the newspapers. Is against Sahaja Yoga again. Not to read newspapers in the morning time. You can read it in the night, but not in the morning. Because if you read it in the morning, you'll get upset. And poor this spleen has to pour in more red blood corpuscles and it becomes mad and fails you. On the contrary, in the morning talk to your wife, talk to your children, look after your Gruha Lakshmi Tattwa. The wife also has to be a Gruha Lakshmi as I told you. Then you have your food properly. Sit down and eat properly. But no, just after that, upsetting that Nabhi, you jump into your car, taking your breakfast in your hand, eating on the way, honking at people, getting angry with them, the wife is calling, “Come along, you had no breakfast!” Nothing doing. You are on your way on a special work, you end up with leukaemia at least, minimum of minimum, if not with heart attack.
Leukaemia comes from left Nabhi, when your Gruha Lakshmi is ruined. The Deity of Gruha Lakshmi is Fatimabai, the daughter of Mohammed Sahib, while the sister of Nanak Sahib is on the left Vishuddhi. You'll see that. Nanaki.
Now this aspect of life we never think about. When you get leukaemia, then you'll come to Mother, “please cure me.” And if you are rich, you will see to it that I cure that person. If I don't cure you will sit on my head. You'll bring ten tons on my head unless and until I cure your leukaemia. But if I tell you, “My son, you take it easy, life is not for getting wretchedness out of you. What have you gained out of all this running about? Nothing. But this horrible left Nabhi by which you are suffering, your family people are suffering. Only person who has gained is the doctor or the doctors or the hospitals.” They won't listen. And you know leukaemia is such a fast developing disease of cancer that one can pass out within one month, doctors will tell you, at the most you'll live for one month, that's all. They'll take all the money to give this certificate, very nicely. But why have that? Be patient with yourself. Be kind to your Nabhi, look after your Gruha Lakshmi.
All kinds of diseases of the stomach come from this imbalance this way or that. All these great gurus came on this earth to give us balance, to teach us balance and tell us, “Don't do this and don't do that.” All the Ten Commandments. But to us these Ten Commandment have no meaning.
Now I’ll touch a point which is very important today for you people to understand about non-vegetarianism and vegetarianism. Because this subject I wanted to handle, because if they are vegetarians they can’t bear to see that Mother says it doesn't matter if you are a non-vegetarian, because it doesn’t go against your awareness. It does not. But drinking does. Drinking does go against your awareness. But not eating meat or not eating meat. But one has to understand. Now somebody told Me that in Gita it is written that those who eat meat are Tamo Gunis. I am surprised at Gita itself. Because Shri Krishna Himself in the very beginning, has told Arjuna that you should go all out to kill all these people, even your relations, kill, actually kill human beings. Your relations and your guru also is to be killed, because I have already killed. Nothing is going to be killed by you because they are already killed. And He gives so many explanations that it should not be done, but He said, “No, I tell you, you have to go and kill. Surrender yourself to Me and I'll take care of them.”
So how did He preach this, I just don’t understand, in Gita. Now this seems to be a new introduction that the people who eat (meat) are Tamo Gunis. They are not, they are never. They are rajo gunis.
If you eat meat you become rajo gunis not tamo gunis. Tamo gunis are the people who eat carbohydrates, we have seen it in Sahaja Yoga.
We have two types of diseases, one is lethargic organs and one is active organs. So, those who are lethargic having too much carbohydrates and those who are overactive are having too much proteins in them. I mean if you take proteins, in the science, scientifically, will you become lethargic? I mean ask any doctor.
And then the doctor says, "Gita is all humbug because it doesn't understand what it is saying". And while you say like this that “We must follow Gita.” I think somebody has gone wrong there and has written something wrong in Gita as they have written in Bible, they have written in every book. I'll tell you what they have written wrong in Bible later on when it comes to Christ. I think just some people have put it there for oppose.
If you eat too much meat you get rajo gunis and rajo gunis become as I have told you right-sided people, become very aggressive and they become 'ahamkaris' and they can harm. But the people who just eat grass can become lethargic, absolutely lethargic.
They will have lethargic heart if not active one, they will also get heart attack. They will have lethargic intestines by which they will get tremendous all the time passing out of the stools, they'll never be able to digest any food, they'll be very weak people. So, those people who have a lethargic heart or a lethargic liver or lethargic intestines should take to proteins. I'm not saying meats, but proteins. But a vegetarian doesn't take so much proteins. It's easier to take meat, there's no harm. But those who are active people should take more to vegetables. It’s sensible. Guru Nanaka ate all the meats, was he a bad man? These Maarwadis who are supposed to be absolutely abstaining from even from lahasoon (garlic) and pyaj (onion). Was He worse than them by any chance? What about Buddha, Himself? He ate meat because He died of eating raw meat, Himself.
Only thing, you should not eat the meat of animals which are bigger than you, and not of a cow which is an Indian cow. Specially Indian cow. Also bigger cows are not good because they give you a problem on the teeth. But smaller animals, even with Jainism they said that you must save the bullocks, the cows, and you must save other animals, but they never said you must save goats and you must save chickens. Because Mahavira knew we cannot give Realization to chickens. What is the use of saving chickens and mosquitoes and also bugs? Of course they are doing like that. Some Jain people save bugs and put it on a human being, and they take the blood of those human beings and they are paid for it. It's absurd but they do it. For them bugs are more important than human beings. Billions and billions of bugs cannot make a human being.
All these absurd ideas we have in this country. So, when I say you are not to be a vegetarian or non-vegetarian, you have to see what you need and eat that. But all the time your attention is in food itself is wrong. So there is no good in you people getting into these problems of vegetarianism and non-vegetarianism.
Of course, in the Western countries people should take to vegetarian food, not absolutely, but more than what they have. While the people who are in India who are vegetarians will have to later on take to meat. Otherwise, they will have lethargic heart. I’ll cure them- once again they will have problem, then they will have to go for a by-pass. Save money there? You cannot.
You will have lethargic intestines, then you will have lethargic liver. You will have all kinds of- what you call- cirrhosis, or maybe on the hand you might get all kinds of rashes and things like that, allergies, all these problems will come. And then ultimately such people look so peaceful because you see, they are like cabbages. It’s the-
[Sombody is laughting]
Shri Mataji: Yes.
If somebody is like a cabbage then how do you give him Realization? You can’t give Realization to cabbages, can you? We have to have here chivalrous people, brave people, warriors who have to fight the evil forces. And what can these people, who are cabbages, going to do for it?
One has to understand the, at heart, the reality and not put your conception - because you are born in a Jain family and that’s why you want everybody to eat grass- is wrong. The one who has to eat protein must eat protein.
Now what is the food for Sattvic people that one should eat ? You can’t live with it. So, what I eat? Channa. Can you live with channa? It’s protein. Channa, or you can eat meat but not very heavy meats, lean meats. And ghee.
And what I eat the most is honey. That’s my food. Honey I eat, you know that. Honey, I drink. But you can’t live with that, can you? So, you have to eat little carbohydrates, doesn’t matter. But you balance yourself in Nabhi Chakra.
But there should be no attention on food at all. Actually, if you ask Me what I ate in the morning, I won’t be able to tell you. Really, I’m very bad at it because I have no attention on it. Whatever one gets, eat it, and you don’t feel like eating, don’t eat.
What’s so important is to enjoy every moment of your life. If a person is finicky about food, specially, Indians are, it’s very dangerous for Nabhi Chakra. Because those who are mad after food and about Nabhi Chakra are extremely hot-tempered, I think. And I don’t know what the word in English is, but in Hindi we call it ‘chidachida’, [Shri Mataji asks in Hindi]
Sahaja Yogi: Irritable.
Shri Mataji: Irritable. And these ‘chidachidas’ will make their wives’ lives miserable. They will come and tell, “In that house I ate very good curry nuts.” So that poor lady is running after the curry nuts.
We Indians are so much food-minded. You can't imagine, they won't believe we are supposed to be starving people.
But we are so food-minded that once there was for these Bengalis, supposed to be Mukha Bengalis, I must tell you about them. They had raw fish which they get it from the Central India and people couldn't get fish so they were starving. So Bombay people very graciously sent one shipload, because I know that, I was part of it, to them as a gracious act that let the Bengalis eat the fish.
They said, “What? We are not going to eat sea fish, we are Bangladeshis.” Threw all the fishes in the sea. It all become sardana (rotten) and it was thrown into the sea. Can you imagine?
Nobody will believe in the West, this is how we are fasting and that is how we are poor people.
Can poor people afford to throw away one shipload of fish in the sea because they want roe (raw?) fish? We are so food-minded that our Nabhis are always like this. And our women are to be blamed because they know to control their husbands, they are spoilt.
The job of a woman is to be a Gruha Lakshmi. To have ideals before the family, ideals before husband, ideals before the children. The house should be ideal, should be a warm house where everybody's welcome. The wife’s job is to keep her Nabhi all right, the Nabhi of the children all right and the Nabhi of the husband and Nabhi of all the people who come to her house. She has to lead a life of auspiciousness, of kindliness, of religious nature. She has to be a soft-natured woman. But this is all missing, only thing she is worried with, how to please the husbands. Because that's one of the big jobs for her.
So to keep our Nabhi all right we have to understand as Sahaja Yogis that we have not to pay so much attention to food. That doesn't mean you eat all dirty food. But it definitely means that when you eat your food, you must see the vibrations of the food. You must always give vibrations to the food. Eat the food which is vibrated.
Certain foods, now supposing if I have to go and eat in any one of these big five star hotels, next moment I vomit, I always vomit. If somebody invites Me in a hotel, I start thinking, ”Baba, now what an ordeal.’ Because it is not cooked with love.
That's what it says [Marathi], “He likes the little berries of Shabari.” [again Marathi] That means the love that is expressed in that food is what we should care for, and not for the lavishness, not for the show of it and not at all for your own taste, but the taste of food should be that it should carry love. Let your tongue feel the love. That is the best taste, and whatever is cooked with love always tastes very well. So when you cook, cook with love. When you eat, eat with love. With kind words to the person who has cooked with love and above all, count your blessings, count your blessings, and think of others who may not have had food today.
This is the Lakshmi Tattwa, is where the hand is like this, where it gives and there's a hand where it gives protection to people who need money. But not in a way we do it, the way Americans do or Russians do it. We do the way Lakshmi does, that this protection does not get out of hand. You give it without telling anyone. Just because you have to give you give, and actually you do that. If you have given, as My father said, one rupee to someone, run away from that person as soon as possible with the speed of one mile, he said. But if you have given five rupees, run away from him at the speed of 500 miles. It's very practical. That is how we have to give.
This is the Lakshmi Tattwa, is the Nabhi Chakra about which I have told you. It's a very important Chakra, because today you are here because in your Chakra, Mahalakshmi Tattwa was awakened because you wanted to seek God. Because you wanted to come to God. You have not come here for money. You have not come here for anything else but God. Your seeking is in God. You want to know the truth about God and you want to have God. You don't want to put your ideas on to this, but you want to see how Mother wants us to receive the blessings of God. So become that as we seek the love of God, the grace of God.
The Lakshmi has to be gracious and the Mahalakshmi is the One who is the gracious lady, is the graciousness in you. The grace that must come evolved into your personality. Within that grace he feels the hankering of the Father. The Father, the Narayana. He wants to have His blessings, and that is how the first, the truth, the seeking of the truth rises in you, and that is how the honesty of seeking is blessed when the Kundalini rises. She first gives you - first thing that you get is the truth, by enlightening your brain.
When I will tell you about Sahasrara and about Agnya, I will tell you how this brain becomes a receptor of the ultimate truth, how truth is spread, you start receiving the knowledge of absolute truth. How this brain when enlightened gives you the power to know what is truth and what is not truth, and there are no alternatives.
This I'll tell you later on when the Kundalini I'll describe at the brain level. But for today I think Nabhi Chakra is very good.
For all of us, for India specially, our Nabhi Chakra is very important, that we should know that God Almighty, the Narayana, the Vishnu, is the One who gives the kshema after Yoga. He says, “Yoga Kshema Mahatmyam,” He gives the kshema.
And we are sinning against the God when we don't believe that honest and virtuous and righteous life will give us the kshema as promised by God Almighty. You are sinning against our Father, while in the West they are sinning against the Mother on the left hand side, because they have forgotten that immoral life is an insult to the Mother Power of God. So both things are important, whether in the West or East, is important that we should not sin against the Father and sin against the Mother.
I hope I've tried to tell you everything in such a way that you do not feel hurt. Because all of you come from different, different types of lives; different, different conceptions; different, different gurus, and you can get confused about it. So, in Sahaja Yoga you should allow this to work out. Allow the light to come in and don't get confused, don't get upset. Here you are to seek God and not to sit on what you have known so far, or which you have heard so far, or whatever you have found. Because that has not given you anything whatsoever. Like one of My disciples who's a big officer and one day he told Me, “Mother, I don't know about Gita, I don't know about Rama, Krishna, anyone. I know You, because You are the One who has given me Realization.” Of course after knowing Me you will know all of them. But it is better you know Me now, because Those are no more here. It is I Who is sitting here, so better know Me first, and then you will know Them better than what you have known Them before.
So let us compromise in this point: that try to understand it through Sahaja Yoga. Everything can be proved. Whatever I have said is absolute truth, nothing but the truth. But you allow yourself not to be bound by any previous ideas and previous conceptions. But let it be open mind to see what I've said, it's just a hypothesis, let it become a law.
When you see it yourself, when it becomes in your heart, on the vibrations, when you see and judge what I've said, you'll be amazed that Nabhi Chakra which you feel on these fingers, even the children can tell.
May God bless you all!
Thank you.
Tomorrow I'll tell you about other chakra called the Chakra of the Devi, Herself. If there are any questions, I've told you, you better write it down. It's always worked out very well. I think now we should go in for meditation and try to get your Realization.
Will you please put your hands towards Me, like this, just in humble way. Because you have not known so far, and you will know it when you will know it: So you put your hands towards Me like this and as I've told you these are five chakras, sixth and seventh chakra is here is on our hands. I must tell you today I met some Kashmiri Muslims, that's a good idea. Suddenly they did feel for Me something. I don't know how. And they said, “Are You the Mother?”
I said, “Yes, I am.”
They came to Me and then said that “You must tell us about Ruh, about spiritual life, about Spirit.” They came to Me. I said, “All right, you put your hands towards Me like this.”
They put their hands towards Me and they felt the cool breeze. And they said, “This is what it is. Mohammed has said that your hands will speak. This is it. That's the truth.”
I said, “Yes, when you have your second birth, you’ll be rid of all the nonsense of these so-called religions which are separating you. They were never meant to be separated, they were meant to integrate you. But you have done it, doesn't matter. Now by God's grace Sahaja Yoga has come, you'll have second birth.
So all the things that are attached to your birth will be finished and you’ll be a new person having a new life in which you forget all that is attacking you, is attached to you, which is dragging you, which is making you think, think, think but not ascend.”
I'm very happy, these simple Muslims who met Me, they were in a shop selling something, and they were so sweet and so beautiful. They didn't say that “You are not Mohammed.” Nothing of the kind.
They said, “This is what Mohammed has said, that “At the time of the Resurrection, your hands will speak,” and what are these people fighting for?” You see. This is what it is.
May God bless you all!
Let us have now both the hands towards Me and just close your eyes.
[Shri Mataji gives Realization.]