The real seekers will find the real way 1983-10-12
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12 October 1983
The Real Seekers Will Find The Real Way
Public Program
Old Cambridge Baptist Church, Boston (United States)
Talk Language: English | Transcript (English) – Draft
I bow to all the seekers of Truth. Definitely it is evident today that you have come here all the way in the rain to seek the Truth, that you are real seekers. And the real seekers will find the real way. Whatever they may do, whatever wrong path they may take, they may identify themselves with wrong things also and may oppose, in the beginning, the Truth. But ultimately they will all find the real path as long as they do not try to deceive themselves.
The awakening of the Kundalini is not a new thing as you people may be thinking. It has been done since sixteenth century back where it is said Indra, the God King, was given realization. So you can imagine, that is called as Siddhendra – means that Indra was made whole here, and there’s a place where it was done in India. It’s a very ancient thing, and at the time of Rama also, there was a fellow called Nachiketa who came to Rama’s father-in-law, Janaka, and asked Him if he could get his Self realization.
And the father-in-law said, “You can ask anything but not for your realization.”
He said, “No, I don’t want anything else but realization.” And they say that He put him to test many a times for years and then he was the first who got realization at the time of Shri Ram.
It is very interesting that how this system of Self Realization was kept more or less exclusive and rather secretive, because the people would like always to use this method to make some money out of it; that they would not respect the reality, and would learn about your chakras, Kundalini, this, that, a few words and start selling books or posing that they are born again and impressing others with it, and try to make some cults or some sort of groups – just forming into some falsehood. And that is the reason this was kept quite a secret.
But on the right hand side of the seeking they tried to find out the ways and methods how to initiate the elements within us, the causal of elements, first to initiate the causal of the elements by which we could control the elements for our own purpose. This was one way where they called it as the Yagnya and all that. And that’s how the Vedas were written. Veda means vida, means to know. These were written to say that you have to know. And at the very beginning of the Vedas it is written that after reading this book, throughout, if you have not known the truth, it is of no use to you. The very first stanza says so. So the whole thing was done with that idea, and in the ancient country of India, they started working on the right side to know this subtle body or the subtle Deities of all the elements so that they could master the elements. This was first idea.
On the left hand side, they started another kind of a search in believing that there is God and we have to ask the help of God. And they started praying, first to Primordial Mother, because in every religion there is a place for the Mother. There’s no religion which does not believe in the Primordial Mother. You can say that at the time of Mohammed Sahib, He didn’t talk much about it, because the time was such. But His own daughter was an incarnation of the Primordial Mother, whose name was Fatimabai. And the two sons that were born to Her, are the sons who came on this Earth also as Mahavira and Buddha. And they were born even earlier. Like that, they were born again and again, as these two elements, as the disciples, as two disciples. And you can see if you read their life, their character, their behaviour, you’ll be surprised, how these two characters have been born again and again in different times to suggest two personalities of two types, who have been seeking God, and who have been trying to understand God through their personality as disciples; and how they reached a conclusion after taking a kind of a position in life.
Now for example Buddha preached that there should be complete non-violence, and also Mahavira said also, there should be non-violence. But they carried it to such an extent, that Mahavira’s disciples started saving the bugs. They would get some bugs from the village, put them in a hut and put a brahmin inside that – fanaticism at that stage – and the bugs would take out the blood of that poor brahmin, and when they would be all filled with blood, then they would give money to this brahmin. Such extreme vegetarianism or extreme type of ahimsa (doing no harm). Or another type of Buddha’s ahimsa that started, that Buddha was not the one who was a vegetarian, because He died – at the end you know that He ate the meat of a boar which was not properly cooked. So this kind of extreme type of food-oriented religion started out of them. So they got themselves born again, as Hassan and Hussein and [MICROPHONE PROBLEM] that when it come to righteousness, when it comes to the [fight] for righteousness, you have to fight. That time the one who doesn’t fight is not a person who is a religious person. So the idea of all these people was in such a way that the time at that period was such and such, and at that period this was the proper thing to be done.
Now we can see the example of Christ. Christ came at the time where the Son of God had to manifest and He came at the time where He had to forgive. He had to show to people how stupid they were to crucify Him, so that they could repent for what stupidity they have done. And that’s how He came on this Earth. But when He will come again, He’s not going to come in that way. The Second Advent of Christ is going to be a very serious one. When He will come, He will have eleven destroying powers. With that He will destroy all that is useless, all that has gone wasted, all those fanatics or whom they’ll call, “Christ, Christ, I won’t know,” He’s told that very well. All these things He’s going to absolutely finish off, and those who are realized souls, who have entered into the Kingdom of God will be only saved. And this is what is described in all the Scriptures. Of course somebody calls them, say Islam calls it “Mahdi,” in India He is called as “Kalki,” in the Bible He is called as “the Christ on the white horse.” He is called by various names, but it is definite that He is going to come and when He comes, then He is not going to bother as to tell you and convince you and to counsel you or to redeem you and give you Realization. That time, He is not going to bother about it. He is going to come in pure destructive form, where He will destroy all that is useless and to understand this, if you see the Sistine Chapel of Michelangelo, you can see Him clearly standing at the Agnya Chakra, with a robust body, throwing people up and down. Those who call, “Christ, Christ”, He throws them down, because they did not do anything what Christ has asked for.
Now the people should know what we have got out of anything whatsoever. You may be identified with any cult, with any idea, with any group, or anything, but always must know what you have you got out of it. For example, I would say for Christians it is necessary to know that Christ has said a very strong thing: “Thou shalt not have adulterous eyes.” Let us find out; do we have innocent eyes? If we don’t, we are not Christians. How do we have innocent eyes? How do we develop our innocence, is the problem. And to develop our innocence we have to awaken the Kundalini. When the Kundalini is awakened, the first center of innocence is awakened. At that time all the excretion work of the body just stops, and this center of Mooladhara, informs the Kundalini that, “There is somebody who knows the job and You can rise.” Then only the Kundalini rises. This center of innocence is first awakened within us.
If this center finds that the person is anti-God, he is anti-Christ, he is a man who is a devil, or any sort of a thing, it just does not allow the Kundalini to rise. I have seen people with absolute frozen Kundalini. I have seen people who have nothing to do with Kundalini. We can say they are just like devils and they have no way that they can be realized.
But ninety-nine percent people in this world are excellent people, good people, and out of them I think at least thirty to forty percent people are seeking God. Not all; Some are seeking money, some are seeking power and some are seeking some personal indulgences. But there are definitely true seekers on this Earth, and this thirty or forty percent people are the most important people from the God’s point of view. You might be anything. You might be having any organization, you might be having any position in life, you might be any great personality. It makes no difference to God. What is important is that are you seeking? If you knock, the door will be opened. It has been promised. But if you think you have already achieved it and that you are there, how can it be worked out? So one has to be humble about it and allow the Kundalini to rise in Its own glory, giving you your real beauty.
Now the thing we have to know that as the Kundalini ascends, we also start getting powers. The first power is that of innocence. Innocence has a power above all other powers. It’s the most powerful thing. But in the human beings it takes time for innocence to be awakened in the full way. It takes time. As a child they have the innocence; and in childhood, if they get their awakening that’s the best thing that can happen to human beings, that in the childhood only they become, get their realization. But as soon as you start growing your attention starts going either to the left or to the right. You start indulging into all kinds of things as far as your sex is concerned, as far as your seeking is concerned, and you then jump on to some sort of a wrong thing which you should not have done. And that’s how the first center gets lost. An innocent person is looked after by angels. Such a person has no fear of anything. He’s not bothered, he’s never violent, he’s never hasty, he’s never in a temper. He’s so peaceful, and he knows that what he is doing is the right thing. Such a person stands by righteousness.
Like you can see in the life of Christ is a very good example that when Mary Magdalene was stoned by people, He stood up and He said, “Among you who has done no sin can throw the stone at her.” Actually Christ had nothing to do with a prostitute. He had no relationship of any kind with her. She is a prostitute and He is the Son of God. But at that time He did feel that she has a right to exist, because those who are stoning her are the people who have committed also sins. Only she is a person who’s exposed, and He stood by her. And that is what happens to a person who is innocent, he is fearless. He has no fear of anything, because he knows that he stands on truth and on innocence. Such a person also has a capacity to bear up lots of nonsense, to laugh at lots of tortures and troubles people bestow upon him. And the greatest thing of innocence is that it gives you discretion. Such a person is immensely discreet. He’s so wise. He may be a little child, he may be a grown-up person, he may be a villager, he might be educated or he might be uneducated. But he’s so wise that he sees what is right and what is righteous. And this is the greatest quality of an innocent person, that he’s very discreet about everything. His discretion is just like a straight forward hit. He doesn’t have to think, he doesn’t have to bother. Whatever he decides is absolute discreet, and he doesn’t have to have choices. He doesn’t go on choosing people, he doesn’t go on choosing things. He said, “This is the thing,” – finished.
So, such a person becomes absolutely dynamic because he doesn’t waste any energy, he doesn’t waste his brains, he doesn’t waste his arguments with anyone. If he thinks a person is worth arguing, he’ll argue. Otherwise he’ll say, “All right, you are clever. Go ahead.” This is the understanding of a person, who is completely discreet.
Like there was a very big joke about it, that there was a man who was going up the road, up the stairs, and another one was coming downstairs. The one who was going up the road was a wise man and the one who was coming down was not a wise man. So he tried to be aggressive and he told him that, “I will not move for you, because I don’t move for fools.”
So the other one moved on one side and he said, “I do.” Meaning, “I move out for fools,” But he said, “I do,” and he moved out. So he has such a discretion – how far to go and how far not to go.
Now, I will give you an example how in nature you can find this very easily. The root has a little root cap. It’s a very, very small, minute thing. You have to see through the microscope. Now this root cap is a wise thing. It goes in the soil, it sees there are some stones, so it goes around the stones. Then it finds there are boulders. It goes around the boulders. It has to find its way, so it’s not bothered. “You are a boulder? All right, doesn’t matter, I am not going to fight with you.” It passes through that and goes directly to that place where it has to arrive. When it reaches that place, when he arrives at that place, he finds that he has tied up these boulders around himself to support the whole tree. This is the wisdom of a little bit, a small little cell which is the root end. So you can imagine how much there is wisdom in a little cell like that. And God has given us such a good brain and if we do not have discretion we are like people who are blind, who walk without knowing where they have to go.
So the first power of your innocence is awakened. Innocent men cannot be harmed. Those who try to harm the innocent men are harmed ultimately. They are very severely harmed, and it is amazing sometimes that the harm can be too much, too severe and that’s why the compassion of Christ thought of it when He said, “Oh God, please forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” Because it could have been that with the Father who is so wrathful, they would have been all destroyed completely. So the way He said, “Forgive them, because I do not want that these people, who are ignorant people, who have tortured Me like this, should be destroyed.” This is the sign of innocence.
Then the second chakra, when it is awakened within you, you have a special quality of creativity. Because when the second chakra is awakened, you are actually thoughtless, there’s no thought in your mind. So you start looking at anything, without thinking. You start looking at anything that is created without any ripple of thought in your mind. Like all that is created round the lake of your mind is completely reflected in that ripple-less lake, and you see the complete reflection of that creation, as well as the joy that is bubbling in that creation. So your creativity becomes tremendous. You start seeing things, but not thinking about it. Now, see if you come to this hall, and you start seeing something, you like it, then you start thinking, “Oh God, this is a beautiful thing, but how much it must have cost? And now how old it is? Is it going to last or not? Is it insured or not?” All sorts of funny ideas will come to you, and you’ll never enjoy what it is. But supposing you have no thought about it, you just watch it, you just see it. What happens? The creation that of the artist who has created this beautiful thing, the joy of that creation that the artist had – who might be dead now – you start enjoying that joy. The whole thing can be filled in you with that bubbling joy that he wanted to put there with his own heart. And that’s what happens because there is no thought.
So the creativity becomes tremendous. But it’s not only that the creativity is tremendous, but your techniques even. For example, a musician can become a tremendous musician. People who have never done any work, can become extremely powerful. We have somebody here from India. The other day he was telling people, because he gave one of the lectures, that, “I had never seen what wood is. I did not know what was teak, what was other wood and all that.” And he had no job when he came to me. And he said, “Now, after realization what job should I take?”
I said, “You take to interior decoration,” and he got a shock.
He said, “I don’t know what will be – How am I to take to interior decoration?” I said, “You can start feeling the vibrations. You just do it on the basis of vibrations.” And he did it, and he made a big money out of it because as I told you the other day, whatever is absolutely beautiful you think has nothing in it but vibrations. It has the coefficients which gives you vibrations.
Like Mona Lisa now. We like her, Mona Lisa. According to modern standards she cannot be a beauty because she was a very plump lady, an elderly lady. But today also, if you go there, you cannot see her painting. It’s so crowded, everybody’s anxious to see Mona Lisa. And if you go and feel the vibrations, from a distance you’ll get vibrations because the coefficients of her body, face and everything is made so well that you get the vibrations.
Now people are very anxious to create new ideas, new type of things. But these things do not sell and even if they sell temporarily, they have no eternal values. So the people with this chakra enlightened start creating things of very eternal values, of universal values. Anywhere you take such a thing – you will take it to India, you take it to China, you take it to Japan or you take it to America, anywhere – any human being who sees that, sees the beauty of the Spirit, because it gives you joy in your Spirit. So the pure art is produced through you. That’s the purity, or I would say, the holy art is produced through you. When you start producing that holy art, then you should believe that you have got an enlightenment on that chakra.
This chakra has another capacity, to transform your fat for the use of your brain. It works very hard for that when you start thinking too much and by that over thinking, what happens is that you develop all the diseases of the organs which it has to look after. Like, it has to look after the liver, it has to look after the pancreas, it has to look after the spleen, it has to look after parts of the intestines and the uterus. So what happens that when you use this chakra only for the use of thinking, all these things go out of order. And one by one you start developing diseases like diabetes, and then you start developing diseases of the stomach, and sometimes the spleen, and all other diseases which are very dangerous like blood cancer and all those things, out of this kind of mad thinking. Now to tell you that you shouldn’t think too much, you shouldn’t bother too much, you should not be wobbly, you should take things easy, be light-hearted, is not possible in the modern times because we are slaves of the watch. But what happens is that when you get realization, your thinking process becomes regulated. You only think when you have to think. You just go on thinking, thinking, like horns coming out. You don’t think like that. You only think when you have to think. And whatever you think comes from your inspiration as such.
Now for time, my watch is always out of order. I deliberately keep it out of order, because the time is in your hands. Supposing these people will hurry me up too much, “Mother we have go now, we’ll miss the plane, this thing, that thing.” I said, “All right, if you say I’ll go.” I go to the airport and there they find the plane is three hours late.
Then they said, “Mother, why didn’t you tell us?”
I said, “I was telling you, no need to hurry up. Why didn’t you telephone and find out? If you had telephoned, we would not have been there earlier.” So you see, you start seeing that this time is best for this, this time is best for that. You don’t have to become a slave of the watch. Like this, people become such slaves that they arrive at a point where there can be some sort of a wrong thing happening or maybe that you reach the place and you have to wait for four hours, you have to do all kinds of arrangements to make yourself comfortable. Or sometimes it so happens that you quarrel with your wife, quarrel with your husband, quarrel with your children, “Oh, we are getting late, we are getting late, we have to be on the time.” All this madness comes to people because they have not got their realization. Once you get realization, you station down. You are very much at ease with yourself. You don’t hurry others and you don’t trouble others. Like small, small things, how much we trouble by our worries. You see, human beings will go on saying, “I’m worried.” But what’s the use of worrying? Now if I tell you, “Don’t worry,” you cannot stop it. But once the hole is made here, which we call the Brahmarandhra, is opened, then there’s a hole out of which the worry comes out, and then you just cannot worry. Even if you want to worry, you won’t worry because somehow or other you go beyond that nonsense of worrying.
In any way, mentally I cannot convince you that you don’t worry. But once you get realization, you’ll be amazed, you’ll be just enjoying yourself. Even if you are late, you are not going to bother about or trouble others and you will find that you will be always on time for things. Because there is a force, this All Pervading Power of God looks after you. You start believing in it, how it works out. You won’t believe how much it helps, how much it works out, how it can operate just beyond description. I’ll tell you a story which you won’t believe.
Shri Mataji: I will tell a story about myself, and then a story about Warren I can tell you. It’s in the newspaper, so you can believe it. I was giving a lecture in Bedford and that was from seven to ten and about eight o’clock a boy fell down somewhere – about ten-fifteen miles – from a bridge. Very deep down he fell down from his motorbike and they sent for an ambulance. They were all frightened; they thought this boy must be dead to fall down to this extent. So the ambulance came in and when the ambulance came in, this boy just walked up, and he came up and he sat in the ambulance. So they said, “How are you?”
He said, “I’m all right. Nothing wrong with me.”
So they said, “But nothing happened to you?”
He said, “No, I broke lots of things but a lady came in white clothes, in a white Mercedes (that’s my car), and she walked down up to me and she cured me. And only she left the lower portion of my bone, and she said that, “You come for this to me,” and the rest is I’m perfectly all right, see?” They couldn’t believe it.
The police was there, and everybody was there. The next day he saw my photograph in the newspaper, and he informed them, he informed the police, “This is the lady who came and cured me.” So they telephoned our people and asked them, “Did she pass this way that day?”
They said, “That time she was just giving a lecture before six hundred people. She was not there.” So they were quite amazed, how it has happened. But it can happen. It’s nothing new. I mean it has happened many a times. But one of these that has appeared in the newspaper is like that.
Now, how does this happen? God has got wonderful television also, perfect. It’s so systematic, it’s so scientific. How it works, that for that you have to just see and wonder. He has got telecommunication, He has got computers, He has got everything that you have created, but extremely efficient and methodical. You don’t have to worry, it just works out. There are so many things that have happened, like you have heard that Christ gave bread, five bread and fishes to so many people. It’s nothing new to now Sahaja Yogis. They have seen this many a times happening, in our groups and in our camps.
But another thing which is not believable but it has happened to one Mr. Warren, Dr. Warren who is here from Australia. When he came to India he got his realization and when he went back he said, “I must now start talking about Sahaja Yoga and giving realization to people.” And when he went back to Australia there was a petrol crisis. There was no petrol in his car, about to finish, so they thought, “Now, what to do? We’ll not have any petrol. How to do Mother’s work?”
So they said, “Lets try. We’ll just go wherever we want, we’ll not look at the petrol.” And they did this for twenty-one days, continuously, and when they went to the petrol pump after twenty-one days, because the petrol pumps had opened out, the petrol pump fellow said that, “There is hardly one liter of space there. With what am I to fill it?” And they were amazed. They did it twenty-one days. It can happen.
You do not know when you say God is Almighty, when we say that He can do whatever He wants to do. He does everything. When we say that we are not aware that what He can do. We just think that at the most He can make flowers into fruits, at the most He can make our heart beat, at the most He can make us from amoeba to a human being. But just think of it, how far He can go, and how capable He is and how full of compassion He is for His own creation. Now you have to enter into that area, first of all. Unless and until you are there, you are really blessed by God, you cannot believe it how it helps.
Thirdly, the third center is the center of your seeking. Now the seeking gets satisfied in the sense that you feel you are no more to seek, now you have to give. You are asking for the light, you have got the light, and you have to give the light. But you do not develop the fanatic attitude that, “I am the right person, and you are the wrong person,” and that kind of a violent nature, but you develop a very gentle and a kindly and affectionate nature towards that person. Because you have gone through that kind of an experience, so you know that this person is ignorant. Gradually when he will see the light, he will understand. So you don’t force your way onto him, at all. On the contrary you allow that person to slowly take to it, and awaken his Kundalini and see for himself so that he should certify himself. You don’t force him to say things, you do not organize him, you do not make him a member, you do not take money from him, nothing. You leave him alone. If he wants to come, he can come. If he does not want to come, he need not come.
In Sahaja Yoga, we have made it compulsory that all the centers we are running, no young boys should come who are below age without the permission of their parents, even to visit, leave alone living there. So that’s how we allow only those people who are grown up, adults, to come with their own wishes. They are not to be forced. If they want to go today, we’ll say, “All right, go just now.” There is no compulsion on anyone, because one thing you must know, that you cannot compel as far as your Self realization is concerned. Because it is of no use. It has to come through your freedom, through your asking, otherwise we cannot work it out. Unless and until you ask for it, we cannot do it. It is an impossibility. So you must understand that I cannot force you to get realization. It has to work out. If it works out, you are a lucky person. I cannot guarantee it. If it works out that means it is your own, and if it has not worked out and if you want to work me out or anybody to work it out, they’ll work it out. But it cannot be guaranteed, it cannot be promised.
So your seeking stops and what happens that you start looking at yourself and seeing your own glory, and understanding your own powers, get yourself cleaned out, and you want to give others that solace that you have got, that realization that you have got.
So, I always say that I’m the greatest capitalist, because if I have all the powers I’m the greatest capitalist, and I’m the greatest communist because I cannot live without distributing to you. I must distribute. When we talk of capitalism, what do you have? These stones? What do you have? What do you distribute? The stones? And what are you a communist? What are you distributing? Only stones? So there is nothing to be proud of these worldly possessions. What you are to be proud of, or to be conscious of, is your Spirit. Spirit is the only thing that can kindle another Spirit. I have not seen any matter can kindle that joy in anyone. At the most if you give some matter to somebody, that the only advantage of having some material thing is that you can give it away, that you can express your love through some material things. But otherwise the matter has no value of any kind. But Spirit has absolute value, because it can kindle light into another’s life, and there cannot be anything better than to be given to anyone else. No amount of money, no amount of empires, nothing can give that which is the Spirit, because the Spirit is the ultimate. After that you don’t seek anything. That’s what is the Kundalini, is the true desire which wants to become the reality, which wants to become the divinity. To get divinity within you is the highest thing and that’s what, once you get it, you don’t want anything else.
So the seeking starts improving. Around the seeking are the Ten Commandments, you can say, or the ten primordial masters. There are many others, but the primordial masters, the ten, who came on this earth, one after another, to teach us how to balance ourselves. After realization I’ve seen people automatically balance. I don’t tell them anything about Ten Commandments. I don’t say “Don’t”, I never say. I said, “You get your realization.” Once they get realization they just start behaving in such a manner that is extremely righteous, extremely balanced, extremely holy. Such a person becomes immediately rid of all the horrible habits they have, all the enslavement of passion, and lust and greed. Everything drops out just like that, and like a beautiful lotus they come out of that mire, that darkness, into light. And then in the light they see it so clearly, that this is not the thing that I can have, this is not the thing that I can wear, and immediately they give it up. That’s how you become a new personality. This religion is born within you.
Now we talk of religion, this religion that religion, that religion. Everybody is talking of different religions and dogmas, and this and that, and only fighting everywhere you go. They are fighting among each other, it’s still going on. It’s endless; they are all fighting morning till evening. Then I have seen also some people who try to unite religions and there also they have nothing but all the devils put together, all devils joined together to unite. There is nothing of reality in them. So the people are puzzled, “What is happening to religion?” These organized religions also can be very dangerous. They can put you into such norms that you can really get absolutely brain-washed, and you start believing that what you are doing is correct, without understanding why are you doing it. Most of the things tell, “This is a mystery, that is a mystery.” Then why, what are you doing there? If it is a mystery, it is better you give up. But they’ll just brand you that, “This is mystery, that is mystery.” You have to accept. But what is the advantage of that kind of a life, nobody wants to see.
As I told you, that Christ has asked for one thing, “Thou shalt not have adulterous eyes.” Let us see which religious organization has granted that to people. It’s only your Spirit, when it is awakened and reborn, you can have that innocence within you.
As it is today, it’s getting late, but I have to tell you that the chakras as he explained, I am just giving you the powers of every chakra. And the power of the chakra of Heart is tremendous. It gives you the fearlessness. When the child is about twelve years of age, in this sternum bone, the antibodies are created by this chakra. And they are sent all over the body to fight the disease or any kind of an attack on the personality. Now, these are actually looked after by the deity in that center, and this deity, when gets the message, She informs all the antibodies that “You have to fight.” And all of them will go at that point, join together, to fight the enemy of life, enemy of God.
Like now we are having, now I’m here, and Americans are to be realized, and we have to do something about America. Then knowing that how America is important – I’ll tell you where America is in this body – people from Australia, from India, from France, from all over, have come down here. All the way they have come, just to give realization to Americans. All of them. I never forced anybody, I never asked anybody, they just came forward, “Mother, we are going to go with you, and we are going to do this great work of realization to people of America who are seekers.” They all have come on their own, spending their own money, and they are doing this work with me. So you can image what a great attraction it must be, what a great attachment it must be, for the seekers of America that they have come all the way. They are all people on big jobs one is a doctor, another is an architect, another is this, all of them sacrificing their money, everything, time have come, down here, to be with me for these two months to work for America, from all over. We have some people who are actresses in the English drama or some are directors and things like that. They all have come here.
In your Boston we have at least, I think, ten people from ten countries. So you can imagine how is the whole attention, the priority. This is the important thing. They must get realization. They do not get any money out of it; they do not get any reward out of it; only the satisfaction that so many have got realization. The more, the merrier. When they see more people coming getting realization, you must see their faces, they lit up. This kind of a personality people have not seen.
I had one bishop who came to stay with me in my house in London, and when he saw Sahaja Yogis, he said, “This is a rare caste and community. I have never seen such a... So I’ve been telling people to do little things in life, they cannot do it and look at these people, how beautiful they are. I can’t believe how can they be so nice.” Because your Spirit is beautiful, the Spirit is glorious, and when you become that, automatically it starts manifesting its beauty. You don’t have to tell yourself. You’ll be amazed at yourself how you have become so beautiful and so good and so nice.
So this quality of fearlessness comes to you because your antibodies are completely charged with the power of the Spirit. And you start understanding what sort of a disease is coming, what sort of an attack is coming, and your body knows how to fight it. You know how to fight it, and when you know that, you are not afraid of any disease whatsoever, even if it is cancer, anything. People know how to fight it for themselves and for others.
Now the higher chakra is of Vishuddhi Chakra and this chakra is what America is. In the Universe this is the chakra, Vishuddhi Chakra, is what America represents. Because America has a responsibility, this center has the responsibility. When they raised the head, human beings, then this center developed the responsibility to be human beings. And the responsibility of spirituality lies on the shoulders of Americans. You had great people like Abraham Lincoln, very great people here professing about freedom of your country and big ideal things. But to my dismay I find: where are those gone? Where are those people who will take the responsibility of spirituality? They are lost with fake gurus, they are lost with cults, they are lost with all kinds of things and where are they? It’s such a sad thing that the responsibility which was on the shoulders of Americans has been not properly tackled, at all. But now the time is – though we start slowly – let us take up the responsibility and see for ourselves what we can do for our countrymen, for our people and, on the whole, for the whole world. You can do a lot, because that is your specialty, that is your job which has to be done.
Now this chakra gives you the power to be the witness. First power you get that you become the witness – witness of everything. The whole thing becomes like a drama, like you are in the water, and then you suddenly come in a boat and you start seeing the play of all these waves. You are no more afraid, you just start seeing it as a drama; you become a witness. The second thing that happens to you with this, that you become collectively conscious. Your hands, if this chakra is good, start feeling the cool breeze, start feeling the chakras of yourself and chakras of other people. With your hands you can cure people, with your hands you can raise the Kundalini, with your hands you can give realization. These hands become powerful things. Even the movement of these hands has a meaning; everything has a meaning. Whatever it does, little fingers, they all have a meaning and because they get enlightened.
Mohammed Sahib has said very clearly, “At the time of resurrection your hands will speak.” Now if you talk to any Muslims, they will say, “We have never heard of Resurrection day.” Find in the Koran, if you see, most of it has dealt with the resurrection day and the doomsday is very little. But people will talk about the doomsday because they can frighten others with that and have their own cults and own things. But actually the resurrection day is the most important thing. And for which Mohammed Sahib has clearly said the future. He didn’t say that, “I’m the last, now nothing is going to happen.” He said, “At the time of resurrection, your hands will speak.” And that’s exactly what happens, that you start feeling others on your fingertips. You know through your fingertips what centers are catching in another person or in yourself also, and immediately you start improving it, if you know how to do it. And that’s what you have to learn: is the divine technique, the true knowledge, of how to handle this power of divine Love, that is flowing through you.
So this center is very important, I think, for Americans. It has one side by which people are aggressive. When they talk big they’re bumptious, they are ego oriented, they try to suppress others by their speeches and try to dominate others when they talk – these are the right-sided people. The other side are the left-sided people. When they feel guilty, they think they have done this wrong, and that wrong, they should not have done this wrong. Actually I’ve seen that in America most of the people have problems here [Vishuddhi Chakra]. Most surprising. They are all the time shaking their neck like this. In my program also I’ve seen, they have always a problem here. The thing is that they have a greater responsibility to keep this center the best, by keeping the responsibility of spirituality quite the highest priority. They should have the highest priority. But what you find that all the people are coming from all over the world to help the Americans. A day should come when the Americans should go all over the world to give realization. And I’m sure that day will come one day when you will grow up to that sense of responsibility when this center will really stand up, as a spiritual personality.
Now, the higher center is of Agnya Chakra which is the center when you get realization, and when the Kundalini rises above that, you become thoughtlessly aware. Now at this time you get the power, first of all, of curing people. If you touch somebody, he’s cured. If you say something, that happens. If you go in the house, something good comes in that house. Auspiciousness starts working through you, when this center is opened.
But one should not leave at that center, because if you start moving onto the left, or to the right, you’ll get into problems. If that center starts moving onto the right, then you start seeing visions, which is a very wrong thing. You go into the realm of supra-conscious or into the collective supra-conscious, by which you can become a very ego oriented person. You can be a very violent, hot tempered, quarrelsome person. Actually, Hitler used this method he learnt from the lamas and he put people onto the right side of the supraconscious, into collective supraconscious and put the spirits, dead spirits, who were of the people who were extremely ambitious and cruel. That’s how this cruelty came into the Germans and they forgot what they were. They forgot they were human beings, the way they killed, the way they behaved. It’s impossible for any human being to do that. But he managed this, and it’s written down that he got all this from lamas from Tibet. From there he got the knowledge how to put people onto the collective supraconscious.
Now the people who can go to the left side, also start curing people. In such a company you might just get stunned. If you face such a person you might just get stunned. Or you might get a kind of a complete attraction for such a person. You might get completely under the domination of such a person. You might surrender completely to such a person and you will not know what you are doing till that person has completely destroyed you. This type of people have these horrible powers because they enter into the collective subconscious. And when they enter into the collective subconscious, they gather those spirits which they use. But the people who move to the left side – who cry, weep, emotional, feel guilty all the time, miserable people – they jump onto the left side. Now all the diseases, practically most of them, like AIDS, like cancer, like myelitis, come from the left-sided entry and is accepted by the doctors. Because I’ve seen a very good film made by the doctors who were researching on cancer, that when the body is vulnerable to these diseases, means when you are over-exerting yourself, when there is too much of sympathetic activity in a person, and when a person is absolutely fagged out with it, at that time they say that these diseases are triggered into you, that somebody triggers it. And this is what they call as the protein 52 and protein 58 and all these names they give because doctors don’t know that they are dead spirits. And these are the things when they enter into you then they trigger it. But they say something very right, and that is that these things come from the area built in you since your creation, means your collective subconscious. And that I have been saying for so many years. Now recently I saw this film. So they are coming to the same point, but after such a long time, that it is triggered by them. So those people who go too much to the left get this trouble.
Those who go too much to the right get heart trouble, heart attacks; but not the slow attack, because heart has double type of attacks. It can a be slow heart or it can be a fast heart. The people who go on the right side have everything fast, liver is moving fast, everything moving fast. It’s such a speedy temperament because they are so speedy. In the morning they’ll get up, “Now I have to go to the office,” and they’ll be taking the breakfast in one hand, putting one foot in the trousers, and another hand into the coat, running to the car, and there’s another big jam coming up and then swearing at everything and it’s a mess throughout and the whole body gets messed up. When the whole body gets messed up, then what happens is that your speedometer, which is the spleen, also goes out of order and you develop a funny type of temperament. If you say to them that, “We have to go now to the airport,” you see them absolutely gone as they are wobbly. The whole machine goes off, you don’t know why. If you ask them, “What’s the ...?” “Oh! I have to go to the airport.” So what? Even the name of the airport can put people like that. So they become absolutely uneasy people, and this kind of thing when it happens, you are very much in for trouble. And this is to be balanced and put right through your Kundalini awakening.
Now this center as you know, is the most important center because this is the gate to the kingdom of God, and is governed by our Lord Jesus Christ, who is the embodiment of innocence. Here He does not incarnate (indicates Mooladhara Chakra). There He incarnates on this Earth (indicates Agnya Chakra). Now, His crucifixion was fixed, and He was to be crucified to show that He is eternal life, He does not die. He is Chaitanya; He is made of all these vibrations. So He could walk on the water also, and He could pass through that tight closeness of these two balloon-like structures, ego and superego, and could settle there to establish that center for us, which is called as the Agnya Chakra, which controls your ego and superego, both.
But most surprising, the people who are, say, Catholics are the people who use their superego. They get conditioned very much, this should not be done, confessions, weeping, crying, unhappy – “We have to be miserable” – Why? Christ has been crucified for you. He has suffered for you. Why, if you have accepted Christ you should be joyous. Only to be awakened Christ, so that you get your realization, that’s all. What is there to cry?
If they are Protestants and all that – I took my birth in Protestant religion – and many Hindus and Muslims ask Me, “Mother, why did You take Your birth in Protestant religion?”
So I said, “They are very sophisticated fanatics, because they rationalize everything. They rationalize God, they rationalize every dogma, everything. It’s such a thinking going on there. So it is very difficult to push them back, that God is not thinking. God is beyond thought. God is beyond your mind. Mind is limited. You have to go beyond that and that’s why Christ crossed that limit by His resurrection.
So His message is His resurrection and His resurrection has given us a special quality, that once He is awakened within us, both of these ego and superego are sucked in by Him. That means He died for our sins, so that He sucked our sins, our karmas, everything sucked in and this opens out. Once this opens out, the Kundalini comes out and this is what He has done. Such a great work that He has died for our sins and when He is awakened, both these institutions are sucked in and you become egoless and super-egoless. You become de-conditioned automatically.
Now this great incarnation was called as Mahavishnu and was described in the ancient books, about fourteen thousand years back, by Markandeya. But people could not relate it to that because when Christians went from here, they went in a different mode. It was a political stunt. They carried a gun in one hand and a Bible in another hand. Such people could not communicate with other people who had everything with them and they never read those books to them. It was all prohibited. Bible is too small a book to contain a character like Christ. He was too great a man, and we should have gone all out to see what He’s described in other scriptures, how He’s talked about. Let us find out. We should have been open minded about it. Instead of that people just laughed and mocked at all these old books, the Scriptures, and they thought they are the wisest. This is the worst part is that the ego thinks they are the highest, they are the best. They can do what they like and that is how they lived.
But thank God, now, people are realizing that we have missed the point. We have definitely missed the point. So we have to see what He was before He came on this Earth, in the Heaven how He was created, how He was Alpha and Omega, what was His own nature, for what purpose He came, and why He died, why He was resurrected, why this drama was to be carried out. For this, only three and a half years of Christ cannot explain, and people cannot tell us why all these things happened. We have to keep a very open mind about Christ, and we have to see with our own eyes how it works out.
In Kundalini awakening you’ll be surprised. When the Kundalini stops here and this chakra is closed, then you have to say the Lord’s prayer. Everywhere, whether you are a Jew, you are a Muslim, you are a Hindu or a Christian, from whatever community you become a yogi, you become a realized soul. You have to say the Lord’s Prayer, because the Kundalini won’t rise, and that is the one of the greatest proof that Christ resides here. If you do not say the Lord’s Prayer, it doesn’t work out. So Lord’s Prayer is a mantra, is a chanting, but is to be said by a person who is a realized soul, who is authorized for you. Otherwise it is called as anadhikar cheshta, means the person who has no right, is trying to do something, is doing a wrong thing.
So those who are realized souls, when they say this mantra, then this center is opened up, Christ is awakened, and you are allowed to see, allow your Kundalini to pass through it and enter into the realm of this limbic area where this one thousand petaled Lotus remains. Now these petals then open up because of the pressure being reduced of the ego and super ego, and they are in different beautiful colored flames. The outside starts with a – just like from vibgyor [acronym for the seven colors] if you take it from vibgyor, in the same way they start, but very slowly moving and the end ones are like crystal, absolutely like crystal they’re shinning. And when the Kundalini comes out of it you see the whole thing opened out, the whole chakra opens out. This is a very important center which has to be opened out because here all the seven centers are there.
For example, we have got here at the back, if you start from here, is the Mooladhara, and then around it is the Swadishthana, and here is the Nabhi, and then it is the Heart. See now. This is the hole which has to open, and this is the Heart. It means if there is a dirty Heart, if there is a closed Heart, if it is a tired Heart, if there is a sick Heart, then this doesn’t open. So in the Heart resides the Spirit. That’s why this is the seat of the Spirit, but it resides in the Heart. So when this opens out, this flower-like lotus opens out, then the Kundalini rises in Her own glory, and you get your realization, as you got it.
Now as I told you, it is the beginning. In the Bible it is said, “I will appear before you like tongues of flames,” and you can see it. I see it every day, the beautiful tongues of flames. But you can’t see it because you are in it. Whatever you see, you are not, so you have to first become. Once you become and you grow into that, then you can also start seeing, but just now you have to become. Supposing you see the light, means you are not the light. If you see anything, you are not that. So the question is of becoming, of actualizing and growing into it and knowing about everything that you do, Everything should be knowledgeable and should be understood, should be logical. I hope it works out in this place. I have told you all about chakras. Tomorrow what to do after Self realization I’ll tell you. And we’ll have another session here in this hall, luckily we have got it, and we have decided to have one more program tomorrow. I hope it will be nice tomorrow and it won’t rain so much. So call all your friends. I will tell you what is to be done after realization, what is the situation. So, may God bless you. Thank you.
Sahaja Yogi: Friday night, Shri Mataji.
Shri Mataji: I’m sorry. I don’t know. Whatever it is, you tell them.
Like yesterday you have to do. We’ll do it again today and it will work out I’m sure. Like yesterday we have to put our hands on our lap just like this, in a very comfortable way. First of all, we must sit comfortably. There should be no discomfort and that is distractive. So just seat very comfortable. And everyone should do it. There is nothing special or anything, but you must try to do it and achieve it because is not proper not to do it. When there is a chance you must do it, and it won’t be good for others also if you don’t want to do it. It’s nothing too much for you to do it, it’s very simple. So put your left hands towards me like this and the right hand you have to use, because the left hand is the power of desire and the right hand is the power of action. And as I told you yesterday, that in a village of 6000 people I did not do anything like that. Just when I stand up they get realization because they are very simple people in a village. But here people are quite complicated, they have problems: self-created, society-generated, the atmosphere generated, all sorts of things are there. Doesn’t matter. So we have to a little bit nourish our different centers, which is a very easy thing to do, and you try to follow it.
Now, you have to close your eyes, and not to open your eyes because of the Agnya Chakra. That’s very important. Because if your eyes are opened I find it difficult to raise your Kundalini. You have to keep your eyes completely closed, it will help your eyesight also. So keep your eyes completely closed. You don’t have to open till you are told to open your eyes. So you don’t have to worry at all. If there is anything tight in your body, somewhere, just loosen it a little bit. It will be a good idea so that you don’t feel uncomfortable. Nothing dangerous happens, never has happened. At the most you may feel little hot in the hand. It doesn’t matter. So now, please close your eyes. Just close your eyes. Put your both the hands on your lap towards me. Strain your fingers, stretching towards me. Just put your hands on your lap stretching. Now put the right hand... Left hand has to be fixed as it is, all the time. Now the left hand is to be stretched towards me, not towards your own hands, but towards me, straight. Now, the right hand has to be lifted and put on your heart. Just put it on the left side, on your heart. At this point, with all sincerity, you have to say or ask a question three times: “Mother, am I the Spirit?” – with full confidence. First of all, you should not feel guilty at all. Forget the past. Forget the past. Please, forget the past. Just now we are talking about the present. So just say: “Mother, am I the Spirit?” Three times. With full confidence, ask the question. Now, put this right hand on your stomach, on the left-hand side, the center of Swadishtana on the left-hand side. Nabhi Chakra, on the Nabhi Chakra on the left-hand side. This is the center of the primordial master within you. And as you are the Spirit, you have to say with full confidence: “Mother, I am my own master.” “I am my own guru” – you have to assert it. So that if you have been to wrong gurus, fake gurus, all kinds of cults, it will all disappear. Please, say ten times: “Mother, am I my own guide? Am I my own guru?” “Am I my own master?” Don’t feel guilty, please, don’t feel guilty. Don’t feel guilty. Still you are feeling guilty – it’s very wrong.
Now, put this right hand down below on the stomach. Down below the stomach is the Swadishtana on the left-hand side. At this point you have to say: “Mother, make me the master of the divine art or divine technique.” “Mother, I want to be the master of divine technique.” This is the center of the mastery of divine technique. Better. Please, say this six times. It’s all right. Press this hand again onto the Heart. Now assert here [unclear]. You have to say it without feeling guilty. With full confidence you have to say: “Mother, I am the Spirit.”
Shri Mataji: Still, the Hamsa is... Now, please put this right hand on the neck. Please, put your neck straight. Don’t push it back too much. On the neck, on the left-hand side, near the shoulder, just put it there and.. press it hard. At this point you have to say: “Mother, I am not guilty.” Please, say it: “Mother, I am not guilty.” Sixteen times you have to say: “Mother, I am not guilty.”
Shri Mataji: Heart. It’s better.
Sahaja Yogi: Yes, it’s good.
Shri Mataji: Now raise this hand higher onto your forehead across. At this point you have to say: “Mother, I forgive everyone.”
Put the light there I think, because with this the right Vishuddhi is heated. Press it hard.
Now without feeling guilty, put your right hand to the back of your head and try to press it hard – back of your head, just above, yes, back of your head. Now, try to pull it. Pull the head, and push the head backwards and pull with your hand. At this point you have to say without feeling guilty – hundred times I say: without feeling guilty – you have to say: “Oh Lord, please forgive me if I have done anything wrong.” Again you feel guilty. Don’t feel guilty. Please, don’t feel guilty.
Shri Mataji: It’s the [unclear]. Still there. Now, raise your hand on top of your head.
Now, press it hard, in the center of it with your palm.