8 March 1985

You Become The Light

Public Program

Brisbane (Australia)

Talk Language: English | Transcript (English) – Draft

I bow to all the seekers of truth. I bow because I see the category of seeking written large on your face. And you have been seeking for ages the truth. And as you have heard doctor Warren, he also went through all kinds of seekings in his life, and he was really frustrated. And he felt there is nothing like truth, nothing would do the same for the sake of truth. Truth is there, but it manifests in its own time, in its own course. It has to be understood that we do not understand truth through our mental projections or through our emotional projections, all other things that we do which we can do as human beings.

As he is describing to you other methods and things like that, we should be honest to ourselves and kind to ourselves, because we are seekers of ages, and this seeking has to be fulfilled. We should not try to plays around with words, with misidentifications. Even some people say, "Mother, we have paid money to this particular person, so we must go ahead with it". This kind of a superficial attitude or a frivolous attitude or a kind of a wrongly adjusted attitude, has to be brought to normal thing. There has to be the truth as there has been many prophets, many incarnations, great personalities who talked of truth. None of them took any money, did not have any Rolls Royces, did not live on the earnings of the people whom they talked to. They were self-respecting, glorious people. They believed that they could talk to people, they could communicate with them.

But you found that it was so difficult. People were so conditioned. Whenever they wanted to talk to someone, they found that they were confronted with people who were so conditioned by some sort of a money-oriented organisations. Like the Jews wanted to crucify Christ. For what? What did He do to them? Did He do any wrong? Nothing. Why? Because they were identified with a wrong type of ideology that they could not accept Christ who has suffered for them. They have to suffer themselves, otherwise they cannot go to God. This is just a misunderstanding about God’s wishes and his ways. Why will He want you to suffer? He is not a cruel God to his own children. So, you must suffer! And you know the Jews suffered.

If you ask for something, you get it. In India, the custom is to fast. They fast and fast. I mean, if you ask them on 8 days, out of the week, they fast at least for five days. And we have fasting going on automatically in our country. You don’t ask for miseries. If you ask for miseries, you’ll get miseries. But if you ask for blessings, God gives you blessings. He’s kind, the kindest of all. He is the source of joy. He is the source of all that is blissful, of peace, and of that greatness and nobility about which we have heard.

Now, to understand yourself, first of all you must know that you are all seekers. And you are seekers of truth. Don’t run after something that is not yet the truth. That is one thing I have to tell you. Shri Krishna described very well, about six thousand years back, the three types of permutations and combinations that are formed in human beings. The first ones are the ‘tamasikas’, are the people who run after something that is wrong. They stick on to it, emotional people, they fall in love with one woman, they’ll waste all their life falling in love with one woman. This life is so precious. This human life is made out of so many tribulations, such care, such gentle handling. You have no idea as to how you are made from amoeba to this stage. And at this stage, to come and suddenly take your ego into your hands and try to do what you like is absurd.

The second type of people are the ones who are the ‘rajasikas’, those who live with ego-orientation, with the ego prompting. Like they form an organization, "All right, this is my organization. I am great, this is my race, I am a special being, this, that". Self-opinionated and hypocritical. And they don’t know what is right and what is wrong. They are harming themselves unnecessarily and harming others without being aware of it. Like, in London, we have something called 'punk' and they also came to my program. And the Sahaja Yogis were rather worried about them. I said, "Let them be sited". When I asked them a question, "Why do you do all these things, putting pins in your cheeks and into your noses, and painting your hair? What is the need to do this outward thing? There is no need to do this". So they said, "Can you tell us what's wrong with us?" Now you can't answer, there is no wrong. Because if you want to cut your nose, "What's wrong?". If you want to destroy yourself, "What’s wrong?" Because you think you have created your own body, you think this body is your own domain, that you can do what you like with your body or with your mind, or whatever you think is your own. It is all God’s creation. He has created you for a very special purpose. He has created you to enter into his kingdom, to enjoy the peace and joy and the great citizenship of his domain where He takes you out of the realm of cause and effect. You just go beyond cause and effect.

This is what it is: if somebody calls himself a guru, or he says that, "I am doing this and I am this and this", branded themself as something, let us see if they have gone beyond the effects of cause and effects. Like we always think of a sickness, like Kundalini now will rise and solve that problem. We think of a disease, when we say that, "This is the cause. Because of this, this disease has come". Kundalini is beyond, and she will rise and tell you that, "No, these two things do not exist. The cause does not exist, so the effect does not exist". We have to go to that realm, which is absolutely nourishing, fulfilling, understanding and thinking.

What we think with our mental projection is nothing but a linear projection. We move in a linear direction, like science. Now we are going in one linear direction, ultimately we created the atom bomb, and now we are aghast. What have we created to kill ourselves? Any linear movement, mental movement, goes to the extreme of the right-sided people which are called as ‘rajasikas’, to such an extent that they see the effects of that, and then they get frightened. The way we have developed industrially ourselves also, we have done the same harm to ourselves. Now we don’t know because there is acid rain coming, all the trees are getting lost, the ecological balance is gone.

So, we come to the point that we have lost our balance. Now what is a balance? It’s as he has told you, that on that green portion that you see, is the balanced established. The other day, doctor Warren asked Me a question, "Mother why should we have dharma? Why should we have balance?" I used to say that, "You must have balance to ascend". But more than that, a person who is in balance, what happens that, in that area, the fat of that area has to rise to the brain to fulfil the necessity of the use of cells. These cells, when they rise there, if they have no balance, they go mad. And that's how we have no understanding as to what is right and what is wrong. But if you are a balanced person, as said in the Ten Commandments, the Ten Guru Tattvas, the Guru principles, if you have those intact, then the experience of the cell is endowered with it, and when they go to the brain, then what happens that you do not feel any attraction to these stupid things that we do with our ego.

Ego is a thing that makes you absolutely stupid. That's the end of ego. If you find somebody stupid, just give him up because he has been an ego-oriented person. But such a person, indiscriminately, can be extremely violent, and can be very destructive as Hitler was. I have seen many people, group of people, who feel that they are challenged because I somehow indirectly challenge them, because I don't take any money, I believe that it should be actualization, it should be actual happening. They try even to come and hit Me and do all kinds of violence. I am surprised how do they call themselves enlightened people. They are supposed to be enlightened, so full of anger and temper. It cannot be an enlightened mind. So to face it up squarely, to understand it honestly we have to know that it is something that is going to happen to us beyond human behaviour, beyond human expectation, beyond human awareness.

Now what is it that we cannot do? Let us see ,very simple things. We can do for example if there is a tree is dead; we can make a nice staircase or a platform or something from dead to the dead. But we cannot make a flower which is real. We cannot transform a flower into a fruit. We cannot do any living work within ourselves. We can jump, we can scream, we can take some name. For that you don't need a guru. Why do you pay such a lot of money? You are so naive about it. That's what I say that the Indians are quite clever and there, these gurus could not prosper, so they went away to other countries to do all this nonsense. This is not to be taken as something that is going to give you anything. It’s just a marketing stuff. It's a marketing stuff which they have now mastered so well. They know how to advertise, how to talk. It's all so done so well! And you just fix into it so much and it pampers your ego to believe that that is so. But why do you cheat yourself? You have to be honest.

Now the thing is that God has made you in a special way, which of course He has tried to explain. It's such a short time I am with you, but He has tried to explain that you are built up like this. It is said in the Bible that, "I will appear before you like tongues of flames". And these chakras are really like beautiful flames of different colours. But at the Sahasrara in the brain they are thousand and they are of different beautiful cooling colours, flames that are living. You can see them later on, not now, because first the question is of ascent. And when you ascend, then you don't see the light, you become the light. There is a difference between the two. You have to become and becoming is much more important than all this talk, all this saying. You have to become and when you become how do you know that you become is that it happens on your central nervous system, that you feel it on your central nervous system.

For example, if you take a dog and a dog is asked to pass through a dirty lane, the dog will do it, he has no problem. But we cannot pass because we have evolved higher, we have evolved to such an extent that we understand this is dirt field, we can feel it on our central nervous system. So the experiencer of that field and dirt is within us. But when you become a Realized soul you develop a system by which you become the experiencer of virtue, experiencer of goodness, of peace, experiencer of collective consciousness. ‘Collective consciousness’ means you can feel another person, fell chakras on your fingertips. You can feel your chakras which you can cure. This is known as boddha, that means on the central nervous system. This is what is the Vedas. The first verse of Vedas, it is written that whatever is not ‘vidya’ -vidya means, doesn't mean in Sanskrit language, doesn't mean that vidya is something that is your mental projection. But vidya means what happens to your awareness, a new dimension must come on your awareness then it is vidya, otherwise it is not vidya. It's just thinking that, "I am great, I am belonging to this organization, I am doing this". You are just trying to put yourself down. Please listen that it has to come on your central nervous system. The central nervous system itself should have the experience of the Spirit, and it should be able to record not only that but decode everything.

So the first stage of the yoga is there, where you become one with the Divine. This is pure simple Patanjali Yoga I am telling you. Those people who believe in standing on your heads, and doing all these things, it’s just a wee bit of it. Actually, it is nothing compared to the whole book of Patanjali which nobody reads. It has come in through so many Western ideas, you see, trickling down into something which I don't know from where. Poor Patanjali must be turning in his grave, thinking what's happening to these people. Now if you read Patanjali he is clear cut. He said that, "When you get your Realization, you first get into the state of thoughtless awareness, which is called as nirvichara samadhi. And then the second state is the state of nirvikalpa, where you become doubtlessly aware". That doesn't mean that mentally, but actually on your fingers, you become clear cut. Your sensitivity becomes clear cut. That's the doubtless awareness state of your being, which is to be established in Sahaja Yoga. You cannot just talk or do something or something outside that it is going to work out. It is something that works out inside.

But when there is the light inside, it is projected out to the other people. Because it is collectively conscious, it knows where it is required, how it has to flow. If you know now the expertise of handling, not the experience, but the experience and then the expertise of handling this All-pervading Power of God, which does all these living things, then you become a Yogi. Then you are a Yogi. Not just somebody gives you a name, "Now you are this yogi, that yogi, this Ananda, that Vananda. Then, by these names and all that, don't be satisfied, don't cheat yourself. You must understand something has to happen within yourself.

If you read any of our traditional treaties in India, because India has dealt with the roots, while the West has dealt with the trees. You have developed lot of it on the other side, and we have not yet been able to put forward, what we had developed. And we are developing on the other side which is the roots. If the roots are not there, the tree will topple down. And this has to come to you in a clear-cut way to understand that what we have traditionally having, one after another, based on evolutionary process, comes to this point. Now is described already that, "In these modern times, thousands of people are going to get their Realization". It is described by a great, we should say, the originator or the person who really started the whole of astrology. His name was Bhrigu. And Bhrigu wrote one book called ‘Bhrigu Samhita’, and another is Nadi Granth. In the ‘Nadi Granth’ he described exactly what is going to happen in Kali Yuga. Not only that, but he has also been interpreted by another scholar, Bhagandar, in Karnataka, who has written a book in Sanskrit, that what he is saying is, "These times, he has described, when thousands will get Realization".

Not only that, but even William Blake who recently about hundred years back he died in England. He has described into such details as to what is Sahaja Yoga is. He said, "The men of God will become prophets". ‘Will become’ again he used the word ‘become’ clearly. "And they will have powers to make other prophets". He has described even the ashrams we are going to have, even my house, the location of it, absolutely. So just see the amount of seeing he had, the seer. The seer of such a great quality was born in England, and he said that, "Jerusalem has to be established in England". Very difficult though, but still. Because according to us, England is the heart of the universe. Anything that happens in England or goes to England circulates. But as you know that English are very difficult people, are very hard nuts and I had to work with only seven people for four years. Imagine Christ was allowed to speak only for four years. And I was busy with seven people, struggling with them in England, for four continuous years. I was so fed up! If I had spent those four years in India, thousands would have got Realization. They do, I just work for about two months to India and thousands get Realization. They are just waiting Me to be there.

But I think you are all very deserving people. You are the people who are great saints born again in those countries who have so much of seeking. Imagine, in Australia about, say even thirty years back, so many people talking about these things! They were like a horse with a blinker. They could not see anything here and there. But these new people, of new category, have been born in all these countries and it is my duty to see that they are all given their Realization. The interviewer asked Me, "Why do you do this work?" Now how can you explain? Why did Christ do anything? Or why did Mohammed? Must you have some sort of an intention behind everything? It can be just my pleasure or maybe my nature that I have to do it. It's like this that if you, when you get these spiritual powers within you, you really become a real capitalist in the sense that you have the capital. And then you become like a communist because you cannot live without giving it. You want to do it. Christ has said, "The enlightened light - or the lamp- is not kept under the table". In the same way, you start giving it to others in full way, working hard for it, and you never feel you are working hard. You are so relaxed and so peaceful, so happy about it.

Now I have to request you that as today is the only first day I have visited Brisbane, and that this is absolutely a new subject to you. Maybe some might have talked about Kundalini in a very vague way, or in a way that could have frightened you. I have to tell you that, though I have come here after twelve years of my work, I find Brisbane has very good vibrations and you all can get your Realization, if you want to get it. I cannot cross your freedom. If you are not wanting, I cannot do it. Because the center path is for the people who have their full freedom to choose the right thing.

We have two types, as I told you, the one who go after wrong things, the other who do not know what is right and wrong and try to have something always new from somewhere which has no basis, which has no tradition, nothing. And the central one are the people who know what is the right thing, and try to go to the right thing. These are the people are called as the ‘sattvikas’. This is the special category of people. You can only give this Realization to people who are ‘sattvikas’, who are the people who are seeking for the right, who have discarded all that is wrong. Like as you have seen Dr. Warren, and there are many others who have gone through all kinds of various things. I mean, to hear from them, I am amazed how many things they have been through. When one gentleman came to see Me he started telling Me he has been here, he has been there, I said, "You’d better write it down". He wrote six pages altogether, you see, full scape on both the sides, how many places poor man has been and he was in a very big mess, health wise, mentally everywhere. So I told him, "Now you burn all this off and come back clean, now let's have it done again". He got his Realization, despite all these things he had done. I must say he got his Realization and he is a very good Sahaja Yogi today.

So forget about it, whatever mistakes you have committed or done. One thing you must know that it is a living process of a living force, the love of God that has to work it out, and you have to get something on your central nervous system. Not just jumping, screaming, shouting or becoming serious, or forced austerity. It's automatic, everything works out. You are a human being so there are so many automatic things you have. And once you become the Spirit, same thing happens. Then you get rid of all these conditionings you have had, like belonging to certain organization, belonging to this. Then you start belonging to God's organization, which is the reality, for which you cannot pay, we cannot have a registration number, we do not have any organization. God has no organization. You cannot organize God and you cannot ask people that, "I'll give you Realization by giving a label or a brand or a name". Nothing of the kind. You have become absolutely a normal person and extremely dynamic, extremely dynamic, extremely compassionate and affectionate and tolerant.

This is how we are going to bring peace on this earth. Not by talking about peace, having another organization of peace, making atom bomb on the other side. That's how we are not going to do it. We are going to do it only by our own transformation into that great thing which we are! We are nothing but the Spirit and only that Spirit has to manifest. Once it manifests, you'll be surprised that one person can transform so many people. Actually, in Australia, most of the work was done by these Sahaja Yogis who were very few in number, started by Dr. Warren and they, one by one, did it.

So, I hope you all get it today. And then we are going to arrange a seminar for you, or you call a workshop, tomorrow, and they will tell you exactly where to come, where we'll see if they have any problems or anything we'll work it out, and we have to establish it. That's the main thing. Desire should be that, "If we get it we should respect it and we must establish". You all are capable of getting it. Nobody is barred from getting it. But some people who are so conditioned that I know some people who just you see couldn't bear it, and they fainted. So, I don't want such people to be here, who are very much conditioned because it's difficult for them to get Realization. But if you just say, "Forget all that, just I want my Realization". You'll get it whatever may have been the conditioning.

I must say the Divine is so kind, so kind it has never been that kind and forgiving as it is today. And thanks to modern times that people have taken birth and jumped into this Hell of modern times, to be born in this time. And the whole problems and the tensions and the terrible shocking state in which we are, has turned people into the new dimension of seeking. And this new dimension of seeking is going to give them rewards.

I don't know how to say many things in this little time. I must have given at least two thousand lectures in London itself, and in my own language at least three thousand. And maybe in Hindi language, four hundred- four thousand lectures. So, there's no end to it. But what is more important is how many people get Realization. It is not the lecture that is going to give you Realization. Some do get it: today, both the interviewers got it just talking to Me, in that simple way. They didn't do anything. But we'll have to work it out for you, in the sense that you will have to yourself raise your own Kundalini in a very simple way, which we'll do little later.

Now if you have any questions I would say, instead of disturbing the mood of the people, you can write it down. And tomorrow, be kind to all of them, tomorrow you can bring your questions to Me when I'm there, at leisure I'll answer you. I'll see that you get all your answers. But questioning and answering, I don't know your Kundalini rise or not. And the main problem for Me is how to raise your Kundalini. That's not my problem how to satisfy you mentally. Even if you are mentally satisfied, the Kundalini may not rise. You cannot guarantee for everyone. So, to make it work, you should be in a peaceful mood not in an offensive mood or in any way disturbed. I would say, we'll not ask any questions just now. But you can ask Me questions later on when you come to see Me. I'm absolutely open to it. I have too much of patience and too much of tolerance and I'm sure, I'll be able to convince you that it is you who is important today, and not anything else, but you the seeker. May God bless you all.

In this short time, Dr. Warren may not have told you that all these chakras are made of the essences of the elements, the body of it. So we have to take the help of the Mother Earth. For that we have to take out our shoes and put them on the sides and put both the feet on the Mother Earth at parallel level, so the Mother Earth helps us. You need not take out socks, but please take out your shoes. It's a very simple thing to do, please. Take out your shoes please. That's all. Just listening to the lecture, now they are going to another lecture. People and people. This is typically Westernized that they come to a lecture, you see, now they are going for another lecture like ‘guru shopping’ going on. There's no seriousness about it. But in India, though people are not so educated, not so developed, they understand. Because traditionally we know what is Self-realization, we know how it works out, and we understand a person who is doing it. That's why you see be careful about it, because the tradition is not here. That's the only problem we have. We don't have the tradition of seeking. We don't have the tradition.

So please understand that little bit you have to cooperate with Me, and you have to humble down in your heart. If you are arrogant, Kundalini will never rise. She is your Mother. She is your individual Mother, and she knows you very well. She knows you very well. She will rise only if you can really take to her. Otherwise, she will not waste her energy. So be careful on that that you should convince her that you really want your Realization. That is very important.

Now this Kundalini is the true power, the real power, the power which is pure power of desire. That's the real power of desire we have, because all other desires that we have, have no joy. You want to have one thing, then you want to have another thing. It goes on. It is never satiable. It shows that all our joys are lost when we have everything, affluence. All affluence countries try to commit suicide. So where is the joy lost? Because we have not yet found out the fulfilment of our true desire: and this true desire is to be one with the Divine. So we have to keep to our true desire, so the Kundalini rises. [To Warren] Only if you come here we will show them better.

[Realisation process starts]

Now you have to do a very simple thing, is to put the left hand on your lap comfortably towards Me. Left side is the power of desire, of general desire. Now the right hand is the one, is the power of your action. Now you have to use it so that you yourself you know what are the centres are. Now the first of all, we put the hand on the right heart- here on the heart, right hand on the heart. The whole thing, movement, is on the left-hand side, and the left hand is kept towards Me on your lap. Now you have to move the right hand lower, on to the upper part of the stomach, upper part of the stomach, keeping both the feet on the ground and parallelized. And then in the lower part of the stomach. These are two centres. The upper one is the center of your guru principle, is the principle of mastery, of your guide. So through that, you get your guidance, which is built by many great gurus, great incarnations in our evolutionary process. These are the milestones of your evolution. All these centres are the milestones.

Lower than that, the lower part of the abdomen on the left-hand side is the center where is the true knowledge technique, through which you work out the technique. It’s the machinery to work out the true knowledge technique, is called as ‘shuddha vidya’, meaning the true knowledge, the pure knowledge. Then again you go back to your guru principle, on the left side of your abdomen, in the upper part. And then to your heart. Then you go back here, from front side, on to your shoulder, next to your neck. In that corner, press it hard. Here is from the front, go across, not from here, here. Go this way on the left-hand side, yes, left-hand side.

Now this center is very important because in the West, there is a fashion, I think, to feel guilty about everything. Now I have given a lecture, you must have picked up some point to feel guilty. Please forget the lecture. You are not to feel guilty. That is one promise you have to make. You are not to feel guilty, because this chakra gets caught up, and it's impossible to raise the Kundalini. So you don't feel guilty at all. You just don't feel guilty about anything whatsoever, because God is the ocean of forgiveness.

Then you go up here and then at the back here, and then on top of your head: you have to put your palm pressing on the fontanel bone area, where it was a very soft bone in your childhood and to move it seven times like this. But one by one, I'll tell you again in details.

Now it's very simple. First thing you must take out your spectacles because it does good to your eyesight also. So better to take advantage of it as much as you can. And don't keep it in the pocket because you'll have to put your hands in the pocket. If you are wearing some coats and all that but you take it out it may be little hot for you. You should be comfortable. It’s the main point. You should be very, very comfortable. There should be nothing tight on your waist or on your neck. Something tight that makes you uncomfortable. You have to be comfortable, because your attention should not go out, because there is discomfort. It’s as simple as that. Attention has to be taken in.

Actually, the Kundalini, the happening of the Kundalini takes your attention inside. I cannot force it there, but Kundalini will just push your attention inside. For that, you have to keep your eyes shut. Just keep eyes shut till I tell you. Please, keep your attention inside by keeping your eyes shut. Please don't open your eyes till I tell you. It will not be much time for that. [To Warren] Too much light here, too much light. If little few lights could be off, it could be better for them.

Now, as it is this working out, there are wonderful people here in Brisbane now. Now what will you feel when you, I'll tell you later on, to put your hand above your head, then you will feel a cool breeze coming out of your head. Some of you might feel a little heat coming out ,because first the heat sometimes comes out, doesn't matter. And then you will feel the cool in your hands, which you can see later on. You can feel it. It's the experiencing of it, the All-pervading Power. All right.

So now please close your eyes, please close your eyes and please don't open it till I tell you. Put your both the feet on the ground parallel and the left hand straight towards Me. That's all. Left hand straight towards Me. Now with the right hand, what you have to do, as I have told you, to put your right hand on your heart and now close your eyes. Please close your eyes. Please close your eyes.

Now, when you put your hand on your heart, you should know that the Spirit is reflected in your heart, it resides in your heart. Spirit is the reflection of God Almighty. So here you have to ask Me a question, it’s a very fundamental question. You can call Me, Shri Mataji or Mother, whatever suits you. "Mother, am I the Spirit? " Ask the question three times. "Mother, am I the Spirit?" Sincerely, ask the question, which you are. You’d better ask this absolute question to Me.

Now take this right hand down onto the stomach, on the upper part on the left-hand side. As I told you, this is the center of the mastery. Now put your hand there, left hand towards Me, please, all of you do it. It will help you a lot in every way. Now put your hand there and you please ask a question, which is related to the first question, whether you are a Spirit. And if you are a Spirit you become your master, because the Spirit is the guide. So, here you ask another question, three times. "Mother, am I my own master? Mother, am I my own guru? Mother, am I my own guide?" Ask this question three times, with full sincerity and faith in yourself, with full confidence and believing in you. Three times.

Now take this hand in the lower part of the abdomen on the left-hand side and press it a little bit. As I told you, there is the center of the working of this divine Power, is the technique that is worked out through this centre. So please, put your hand on the left-hand side of your abdomen in the lower region. This has got six petals. But here you have to have the understanding that you are free people. I cannot, I cannot force you. So you have to say you want your Realization. That you have to say here, "Mother I want the pure knowledge, please give me. Mother please give me the pure knowledge". Six times, please. You have to say it. Otherwise, I cannot force it. I'm sorry I cannot do it. So please say it with full understanding, with full faith in yourself. "Please, may I have the pure knowledge, the true knowledge". At this time the Kundalini starts moving six times because there are six petals to this center. Say it from your heart, open your heart. Say it from your heart, not mentally but from your heart.

Now raise your right hand in the upper part of the stomach on the left-hand side. In the upper part of the stomach, on the left-hand side, put your right hand and press it where the centre of the guru principle, the master principle is there. Now as the Kundalini has started moving, you show your full confidence to her by saying, "Mother I am my own master, I am my own guru, I am my own guide". Please say this ten times because there are ten guru principles. There are ten master principles which are the Ten Commandments. Please say ten times. Have full confidence in yourself. Don't feel guilty, please, because you are the temple of God. The seeker is the temple of God, only the light has to shine through, that's all. So don't have any misconception about yourself. Tell yourself, with all your heart and with all your understanding say that, "Mother I am my own master". Please put your hand on the left-hand side of your stomach on the upper part.

Better.

Now raise this right hand to the heart again. Press it hard. Here to the heart. Please raise your hand to the heart.

One should not go at the time when everybody is meditating. It's very disturbing for others. If you wanted, you should have gone earlier but this is all, "What's wrong, what's wrong?" Very arrogant ways. Put your hand on the left-hand side of the heart, and here you say with a humble heart, with a very humble heart, please say, with full confidence in yourself, "Mother I am the Spirit, Mother I am the Spirit, Mother I am the Spirit", twelve times. [To Warren] People are funny, some. Ah, good. They have gone, it's good. It's good for us. Much better now, easier. Twelve times.

Now raise this right hand on to the left-hand side of your neck, on to the shoulder. Press it hard. Here, as I told you the center, which is very much caught up in the West, because one feels guilty all the time. So you have to say sixteen times, "Mother I am not guilty", with all respect for yourself. "Mother I am not guilty". Please, say it sixteen times. [To Warren] Much better now. If you have a habit of saying that, you have to be very pleasant in this mood today, that you are entering into the Kingdom of God. And there's nothing to feel guilty or miserable about it. Just say, "Mother I am not guilty", with a pleasant mind and a mood. "I am not guilty at all of anything". Because, as I told you, God is not only the oceans of love and compassion but He is the ocean of forgiveness. And what mistakes can we commit that He cannot forgive us? With full confidence please say sixteen times, and if you still think you are guilty you’d better take a punishment upon yourself by saying it hundred and eight times. [Shri Mataji smiles]

To feel guilty is a very wrong attitude towards oneself. It's self-destructive, it creates physical problems. It creates angina, creates spondylitis, all kinds of troubles. Why do you indulge into such useless pursuits of feeling guilty? For small, small things, we feel guilty all the time. Face it up. That's the worst of all. It's a sign of adolescence to feel guilty. Matured people never feel guilty. You must love yourself; you must respect yourself. After all, you are seekers, special category of people. Men of God, as described by William Blake. What is there to feel guilty? Still, the chakra is catching. I am sorry to say. But please, say that, "I am not guilty", with all your heart. It becomes like a mountain. Then the Kundalini rising is like raising a mountain, if you have guilt in you. [To Warren] Better? Better now? Warren: Yes, it is better, much better. Shri Mataji: In collective, I get a blow in my ears, the way people are guilty. Now better, it's better now. Better? Warren: It’s flowing. It has broken the Sahasrara. Shri Mataji: Ah, finished. Now better. From here to here, give a bandhan.

Now raise your right hand on your forehead, please. Now here again, I have to tell you that, people don't get Realization if they don't forgive. Please forgive everyone by saying, "Mother I forgive everyone". Please, forgive everyone. Now some say, "It's very difficult, I am trying". Actually, you don't know, it's a myth! What do you do when you do not forgive? Nothing. And what do you do when you forgive? Nothing. But it's a myth and the first myth that you do not forgive, under that, you play into the hands of others. You are tortured because of that. So why do you want to play into the hands of others? Just say, "I forgive everyone". Just say that please, from your heart. How many times is not the point? Say it from your heart. Putting your hand on your forehead, pressing it on both the sides. Say it from your heart, "I forgive everyone". Don't live with the myth, just torture yourself for nothing at all. You are a seeker. You have no business to ruin yourself. You are great people. Just forgive. Better. Now better. Just going into it.

Now, still you are feeling guilty. It's better now that you put your right hand on the back of your head. And once for all, you say, "If I have done anything against the glory of God, please, forgive me". That's all. Once for all, say it so that you don't feel any more guilty. Put your hand on the back of your head. Back of your head. Back of your head. Did you follow? Back of your head. Not on your neck, but back of your head. Press it hard. Now here you say once for all that, "If I have done any mistakes in the glory of God, please forgive me". So, that's how you forgive yourself also.

Better. Ah. Better.

Now, please put your hand on top of your head, the palm. Now this is the fontanel bone area. Touch it in a way that you press it a little bit. Please, put your right hand there and press it a little bit seven times. Now move it clockwise. At this point, again, I'll have to request you to say that you want yourself Realization. I cannot cross over your freedom. So you have to say, "Mother, please give me my Realization. I want it". You have to ask for it. Press it hard and push it down. Press it hard and push it down. [Shri Mataji blows into the mike]

Take down your hand on your lap very slowly and slowly open your eyes, slowly. Now without thinking you watch Me, without thinking, without thinking. Just without thinking. And put your left hand on top of your head about four, five inches, and see if there's a cool breeze coming in. Put your left hand, right hand towards Me like this. Like this, like this. Just come forward. Right hand towards Me. Or just other way round. Now see if there's a cool breeze coming in. Is it? It's very subtle. See it? Good. Yes, it is there in some people. Don't doubt. Don't doubt yourself. That's the main problem is. Move it up and down and see if it is coming.

Now turn round. You put the left hand down below and with the right hand you see. You test yourself and certify yourself. Right hand. With the right hand you see, left hand towards Me. Is it coming? Pay attention here on top of your head and don't think.

Now just again turn the right hand and see with the left hand. You have to do it twice and it will work out. Hmm? Good. It's there, it's there. Now turn it on again with the left hand towards Me and right hand.

This is the real baptism. Hmm? It's there, it's there. Now if you are not getting in your hand, doesn't matter, what you have to do is to put your hands up like this, and push back your head and ask the question, "Is this the power of God's love? Is this the Brahma Shakti? Is this the All-pervading Power of the Holy Ghost?" Just see that way. Put back your head and ask this question. Now put down your hands and see your hands. You'll be feeling the cool breeze, same cool breeze. Just put down. Keep your eyes open and see if the cool breeze is coming in your hands. All right?

[To Warren] You may ask them to ask the question, "Mother, are you the Holy Ghost?" It will work out if they ask it three times. Some of them. Warren: Just to verify the experience, just ask the question, is it your heart. Shri Mataji: On that thing, it would be better. On there [mike]. Warren: I just have to turn round. Shri Mataji: All right.

Now don't think, don't think. That's one thing: you keep yourself above thinking. You can do it now. You are in 'nirvichara samadhi'. So just try to keep that state of not thinking. It’s important.

Warren: Put your hands outwards Shri Mataji and ask the question in your heart, "Shri Mataji, is this the cool breeze of the Holy Spirit?" Just ask it in your heart, not out loud. Just ask it three times, with your eyes closed. "Shri Mataji, is this the cool wind of the Holy Spirit?" Shri Mataji: It's working.

Warren: That flow of vibration is the Unconscious. It says, Yes.

Shri Mataji: Now all those who have felt the cool breeze on the head and on, or on the hands, please raise your hands, both of them, like this. Just look at that Brisbane! All of you! May God bless you. All of you are great. Please put them down. So sweet, such a beautiful place this Brisbane is, I must say. Now, one thing I must tell you how to protect yourself, that is important, [Aside] Warren, look at Me. You must learn how to protect yourself and to raise your Kundalini tonight before sleeping. Now you've got your Realization, but you must respect it. Now how do you do it? To put left hand as you are sitting and put eh left hand on the side like that. Left, left- right hand, sorry. Left hand towards Me, and the right hand on the side of it. And now raise it on top of your head, going round your aura like this. One, throw it down. Again take it over your head and two, seven times for seven chakras. And then three, and then four, five, six, and seven.

Now, whether you've got Realization or not, you try this way of raising your Kundalini yourself. You can do it yourself. And you'll see, those who have got it will feel it more, those who haven't got it will feel the cool breeze again. Put the left hand towards the Kundalini. [To Warren] You face that side, that's better. Towards the Kundalini. Left hand facing the Kundalini while you are sitting. And now you have to move the hand, right hand like this, up, forward, downward, backward. The attention should be on the left hand. Let's do it. Now, start. Move the hand, left hand slowly watching the left hand. Go up to the head, push back the head, loosen your shoulders and give it a twist nicely and give it a knot. Now, second time and third time. Again, please raise it. Now this time you'll find your hand will move faster. Now move your hand on top of your head, give it a twist again, a big twist and push it. Now for the third time you have to give three twists, that's all. Now. Take it up and give a twist, once, two and three times. So, before sleeping tonight you just do this to yourself and sleep off, putting attention here. And tomorrow, I hope to see you again. We'll have a little meeting together, much more informal. Dr Warren will give you the address. Please write it down. I'll be looking forward to your coming.

Warren: Tomorrow afternoon, as Shri Mataji has said, before she leaves, she'll be leaving at about six thirty. So you should come on time at five o'clock, don't be late because she's leaving about six o'clock, to thirty-four Norman Avenue, Norman Park. Shri Mataji: Again. Warren: Thirty-four Norman Avenue, Norman Park. Near enough to the city to get there easily. Thirty-four Norman Avenue, Norman Park in Brisbane. Shri Mataji: Give also the phone number. Warren: Could we have the phone number?

Shri Mataji: Please write, also get the phone number and try to be there. Tomorrow I'm leaving, but I have postponed my going in the morning just to see you all, because I knew there would be lots of people in Brisbane. Moreover, we'll give you absolute individual attention to see if you have any problems. We'll take upon these and also, we'll be able to explain to you things, which you are not understanding. Also, those who have not got Realization, we'll work it out for them. Thank you very much. May God bless you all.

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