30 August 1990

Innocence Is Never Lost

Public Program

Frankfurt (Germany)

Talk Language: English | Transcript (English) – Draft

I bow to all the Seekers of truth. You have been told about the subtle system that is already existing within us, and about the Kundalini which is residing in the triangular bone. And I have told you that this Kundalini is the power of pure desire. So when She rises, She purifies every centre.

First of all, I would like to tell you how the malfunctioning of a centre starts. We have, as you can see very clearly, two energies working on two sides. These are the two channels, which help the two sympathetic nervous system, left and right. These two systems left and right are, one on the left side is the power of desire and looks after our past, and the one which is on the right side looks after our future. So these centres are one from the left and one from the right, they join together to form a central centre.

Now this centre supplies energy to the left side as well as to the right side. Supposing you exert too much on the right side, means you are very futuristic, or you think too much, then the right side starts moving away from the left side. Suddenly, if something happens on the left side, some sort of a shock, it breaks. So there is no connection anymore with the whole, and then these incurable diseases like cancer start. The cells start growing on their own, arbitrarily. All the diseases, physical, mental, all these disease come to us through the malfunctioning of these centres. Supposing you are very left sided, means you always think of the past, you are always crying, weeping. Then your attention starts moving towards the left. So first you pass through the layers of your subconscious mind. First the subconscious of today. Then the subconscious of, you can say, of this mind that we see here, and then is the subconscious of our previous lives. Then ultimately is the collective subconscious and when you enter into the collective subconscious mind, then you get badly affected. Such people become epileptic or lunatic or schizophrenic. In the same way the right sided people can have problems.

About 7/8 years back I told you that there will be a disease coming where your conscious mind will become paralysed. In America I told you, and now it is happening. Supposing you are all the time – it’s now called as Yupis disease, Yupis. Now if you are see, thinking too much, planning too much, working very hard, going on to your future ideas, like a workaholic as they call it, then you have used your conscious mind too much, and you start moving again on the right side till you end up into the collective supraconscious. When you enter into that area, you may start seeing hallucinations, colours, as if you have taken LSD. Or your conscious mind is too tired that you can walk unconsciously, but when you become conscious you just fall down. For example, unconsciously you can lift your hand, but consciously you cannot lift.

Now we are treating about three people also in England, for this trouble. So any kind of extreme imbalance, takes you away from the centre, and you develop diseases which we call as psychosomatic.

So there are somatic diseases, also there are psycho diseases, but there can be combination of these diseases. So in the centre is the parasympathetic nervous system which is acting.

Supposing you run fast, then your heart starts beating. That means your sympathetic nervous system comes into action. It acts in your emergency, but after some time, heart comes back to normal. That only happens when your parasympathetic takes over.

So when the Kundalini rises through these centres, it integrates all of them like this, and it nourishes all these centres. With that nourishment, these centres get adjusted and cured. Say for example if a tree is sick and we try to treat it, by treating the leaves it won’t work. So we have to go to the roots. And going to the roots is not possible with human awareness. So you have to have a subtler awareness, which we call as enlightened awareness. So you have to get enlightened. If you are not enlightened, then you cannot enter into your roots.

Now the problem of the worlds are, like the ecological problems or any such problems, are because of imbalances within us. When we go to extremes, then the correction starts by nature. But sometime in this process we get destroyed. So one must understand that unless and until human beings are transformed, we cannot solve our problems. And we already have this mechanism within ourselves by which we can transform ourselves. And if this transformation takes place and we get this connection with the all-pervading power, then there is no question of our system getting exhausted. And for that you don't have to do anything. First, this Awakening of the Kundalini has to take place, and when that happens, then you have to see that this connection between the Kundalini and the all-pervading power is established. Then only, you have to know how your hands can feel the different centres and how you can manouvre it, this energy, that is flowing through you.

Yesterday somebody asked me a question about Christ. And there were some questions including on Christianity. Now what Christ has said that you are to be born again. It is not some sort of an artificial baptism, no doubt about. Or some people just take a certificate, “We are born again.” But it is a state. Born again is a state where a person has powers. That such a person can raise the Kundalini of others. Such a person can cure others. And the attention of such a person is active. Sitting down here through the subtle ether, with which it has connection, he can know what's wrong with another person, anywhere. He himself is a relaxed personality and he feels angry with nothing. It is just working. As you can call it in Sanskrit it is ‘akarma.’ Like the sun shines, it doesn’t know it shines, it’s just shining by its own nature. So in the same way, when a person gets his enlightenment, he just emits this energy. And this energy is soothing. It gives peace. It gives joy.

There are so many things one can say about a realised soul. But one can know that once you are in connection with this divine power you feel so confident of yourself and you are full of compassion. And your attention becomes very pure. While Christ has said, “Thou shalt not have adulterous eyes.” Coming to Christianity, I would say there are very few who have this kind of innocent eyes.

In any religion, it is said that you are to be born again. Say in Hindu religion it is said that you are to be born again like a bird is born again, but nobody has paid any attention to that. As a result, all these religions have become man-made. They started well, but they will end up as fundamentalists. Even Muhammad Saab has said that at the time of Resurrection, your hands will speak. And that your fingers will give witness against you. There is a complete ‘Surah’ of Resurrection. But Muslims do not think or even wonder to know about this ‘Surah.’ They only say that Muhammad Saab was the last. Then why he did talk of future that is Resurrection? This is how people have formed groups.

I would say, on the tree of life, there were many flowers who came at different times. But people pluck them, and started fighting with each other saying, “This is my flower, this is my flower,” which are really dead flowers.

When you come to Sahaja Yoga and get your enlightenment, you will know that they are all integrated. All these incarnations, all these prophets and all the saints are all integrated.

Again today, I would allow some time for you people to ask me some questions and after that we have the experience of enlightenment.

[Shri Mataji answering questions]

See it is the theory of the spacecraft. It’s like the theory of the spacecraft. Like there is a container which has many containers in it. So first, the first container goes with certain velocity up to a point and then it explodes. So the rest of the containers are thrown with the better velocity. So ultimately now we have come to a position where we go into the space. So there are not many transformations you have to go into. This is the last one, but some people get to that point at the very beginning and just settle down, but some people do not touch that depth, they are like yoyo going up and down. That’s my experience. Normally we should be settled down there, but you see we have so many conditionings and we have read so many books and also they have ego. So all these things you see, little bit bring you down and the connection is not perfect.

So it’s alright doesn’t matter, it takes about at the most one month for you to settle down. It’s like when you are standing in the water, you are afraid of the waves, they come and go. Like the thoughts they come up and go down again they come up and go down, and we are jumping on the cusp of these thoughts. But somehow if you get onto a boat, and you watch these waves, you enjoy them. But somewhere we are still frightened of those waves or some may be having one foot in the mouth of a crocodile, and some may be nicely settled down. But then some of them may learn swimming and jump back to save others.

So, so far, Sahaja Yoga has been working in 40 nations, and we have had all kinds of beautiful experiences, and very interesting. But one must know that it has nothing to do with your mental understanding. It is beyond your mental understanding so when the Kundalini rises and crosses through this centre of Agnya, then it sucks in both these institutions, which we call as ego and super ego, and opens up the limbic area. So you jump into an awareness which we call as thoughtless awareness. In that awareness you do not think, if you want to think you just get inspirations, and that’s how I have seen people who have been in Sahaja Yoga have become very great artists, musicians, have achieved great heights in every field.

But when the Kundalini pierces through your fontanel bone area and is permanently fixed, then you reach another state which we call as doubtless awareness. The first one in Sanskrit is called as Nirvichara Samadhi, the second one as Nirvikalpa Samadhi. At that stage you can raise Kundalini of people. You can cure people. You become very knowledgeable about your inner life. You know about your surroundings and you know about others very clearly, and you are absolutely relaxed.

So this is what I’m saying that the transformation is just like a seed, is sprouting, the roots and the shoot comes out and its growing. Some people just jump into their depths so they don’t need any growth, but some people don’t. Doesn’t matter, you all have faith in yourselves.

Now, you see if any chakra is damaged, that’s why I say you have to come to the collective. Now here is Frankfurt also we have very good Sahaja Yogis who have gone through everything and they know very well, so they will tell you how to correct your chakra. They can correct also and they can tell you. It just works out. It can be. I mean everybody who came to Sahaja Yoga, if they were perfect then there would be no need for me to come on this Earth and to do this work. So there will be imperfections everywhere.

And you’ll be surprised we started…only two years ago we started this centre here. So, it’s very fast. Only thing you have to be honest and sincere about it. There are no pretentions. There are no pretentions about Sahaja Yoga. We have a very simple place just now, we don’t take any money from you. Luckily we can hire a bigger place if you have more people here.

Innocent eyes are without any lust or greed. But they are very powerful. Even a glance of those eyes can do wonders. One thing, innocence is never lost. Whatever you may have done, it is very surprising, it (innocence) is indestructible. Only like glass it covers the sky. But I’m amazed how it comes back.

Yes, it is. Yes it is there. Everything is there, when we are born. Only is possibility is only for human beings.

Because as I told you, when Kundalini rises and passes through this centre and awakens the deity that is of Christ here, and he sucks in these two institutions, which are our karmas and our conditionings. That is why it is said that Christ died for our sins. We don’t have to now have sufferings anymore. He has already suffered for us. Only we have to awaken him, that’s all. Those people who tell you, “You are sinners,” you must know they must be great sinners themselves. After all we are human beings. Only human beings can make mistakes.