12 June 1990

Public Program

Milan (Italy)

Talk Language: English | Transcript (English) – Draft

Shri Mataji: So little there, still more. It’s good.

I bow to all the seekers of truth. We have to know that truth is absolute. And we cannot change it, we cannot conceptualize it. So we have to only keep our minds open as scientists and see for ourselves what is the truth and what is the reality.

Today when we see in the world all kinds of problems, all kinds of opinions, ideas and also all kinds of theories, fighting each other, we can’t understand. Everyone thinks they are right and that others are wrong. But we should see what have they achieved by thinking like that. There is no peace, there is no joy. On the contrary, in all the very developed countries we find all kinds of horrible diseases settling in. Recently in London some people started becoming mad and they found out that the cows had become mad. So from all sides we are attacked now by ignorance. So first of all we must have the light of truth. The truth is that at human level we cannot perceive the truth. The whole civilization has grown like a tree but if you have to really nourish the tree, we have to go to the roots. And the roots are within us. Only thing we have got to have knowledge about that. But if you are identified with ignorance, it is very difficult to convince you that you have to still find the truth. There is a higher state in us which we have to achieve, a subtler state. That means we have to become the Spirit. Christ has said that we are to be born again. But it is not a false certificate we should take that we are born again. Even in Sanskrit language we use this word born again, Dvijaha. A bird is also called as Dvijaha and a realised soul is also called as Dvijaha. So when we are born we are still enclosed, we can say like an egg and then when we mature enough the egg breaks and we have another bird as realised souls. But we must know it is happening within us, it is not just artificially accepting something as truth. We have for example these flowers we see, we don’t know, we never even bother to know how they have come out of one single seed. They say we have come from amoeba to this stage but why, how? How did we come to this stage? What has worked out? What is that power which we do not know? It is the power of redemption within us. Redemption, in the power of redemption. Which evolves us and we have now become human beings much better than animals.

Now if you can, if you ask a dog to go through a very dirty passage he does not mind but a human being cannot because he has developed a sense of smell and he can’t bear dirt. So that we have something lacking in us that whatever we think is good for us we just can’t do it. That means we are not our master, any habit can take over us. So one has to also feel this subtle power which has done all this living work for us. When you become the Spirit, the light of the Spirit starts shining through you. And then you can achieve a state where your personality becomes collectively conscious. That means you can feel your inside, your centres and you can feel the centres of others on your fingertips. So you become part and parcel of the whole and who is the other? Also you become empowered by which you can give realisations to others. You get all the knowledge about this mechanism that works out to an ascent. And you know all the technique by which you can work it out. So when this ascent takes place, when you become the Spirit, your physical, mental, emotional and spiritual problems are solved. Because there are these seven centres within us and when they go out of balance or when there is a lack of energy in them, we get into sickness, mental or physical.

Now there is one power which is now preserved in the triangular bone which is called as sacrum. That means the Greeks knew that it was a sacred bone. This power is the reflection of the Holy Ghost within us. And the Holy Ghost is the primordial Mother. As we have got the Father, got the Son, we have to have got the Mother also. Just to show down women, they didn’t want to say this perhaps. But this primordial Mother was accepted even in Greece where they called Her as Athena. Ata means primordial. So this power resides within us in every one of us and she is our individual Mother. She is waiting to rise just like a primule in the seat is waiting for sprouting. And then if somebody who is like the Mother Earth can give that nourishment, his power rises. It is placed above the last centre. And it rises from there, passes through six centres, then pierces through the fontanel bone area, which was the soft bone in your childhood and actualises your real baptism, really.

While, I'm sorry. While on her way in her journey, she integrates all the centres, nourishes them and ultimately connects them to this all-pervading divine power. For this living work you cannot pay. You can pay for the hall, you can pay for the electricity but you cannot pay for this living work. When the light of the truth comes into you, it’s surprising you become extremely compassionate. You develop a state of thoughtless awareness. You are thinking about the future or about the past and dancing on the cusp of these thoughts. Now, in between these thoughts there is a space which is the present. So the past is finished but the future doesn’t exist, we have to be in the present. If I say, please take your attention inside, you cannot because your attention is outside. So some happening has to take place to attract the attention of the mind. So some happening has to take place to attract your attention inside. And this happening is the awakening of this power called as kundalini. And which happens spontaneously, Sahaj. Saha means with, ja means born. Born with you is the right to become one with the divine power, means the yoga, the union with the divine power. It is the right to become one with this power, to become one with the divine power, to become one with this yoga, because yoga is the right to become union. And it should work out in an en masse audience. But you have to keep your minds open as I told you, like a scientist and take it whatever I am saying as a hypothesis. And if it works out as honest people, you must accept because it is for your benevolence. [UNCLEAR]. It is not only for your benevolence but benevolence of your children, benevolence of your family, benevolence of your city and benevolence of your country and the large world. This is what is going to happen now that we have to enter into Kingdom of God. And the time has come for all of us to be there. After this program, now today I would like you to ask Me some questions and then afterwards I will give you self-realisation if possible and then tomorrow I will tell you all about the centres and how it causes diseases within us. After this, I will give you self-realisation if possible and then tomorrow I will tell you all about the centres and how it causes diseases within us. So if you have any questions, you may ask Me. Small questions you must ask, such big questions.

Guido: She says that kundalini awakening can work out also in people, we can say very negative people or it’s not dangerous or maybe cannot also make a kind of ego out of it.

Shri Mataji: I thought first one was a [UNCLEAR].

Guido: If this kundalini awakening can work out also even in very negative people?

Shri Mataji: Ah, difficult to work out in the negative people. It’s difficult because you cannot force it. As you have to become ultimately completely free and your freedom is absolute, you have to respect your freedom, whatever you have. Now this is the problem. In your own glory and in your freedom you have to ask for it.

Guido: What is the relationship between Sahaja Yoga and Christianity?

Shri Mataji: Of what?

Guido: Christianity.

Shri Mataji: Christianity, I don’t know what Christ it is. Because if Christianity is not money oriented but only Spirit oriented then it’s all right.

Guido: She said that in this case we may need a deep, a deep study about. She says we need a deep study about ourselves to find out what are our problems and we need a very deep purification.

Shri Mataji: Yes, it is true the need is correct but it all happens to you automatically. Say you are sitting in the darkness and you can’t see anything then you cannot relate yourselves to others, first of all. Supposing you are holding on to a snake or a deer of a tiger, you think you need to go. And somebody tells you, you will say no, it’s a rope, I can’t give it up. Also you might be having a very spotted dirty clothes but in darkness you can’t see. But as soon as there is light you can yourself see how you are related to others. You can see whether it’s a tail of a tiger or a snake. You can also see if there is any spot on your clothes. And supposing you have the power to cleanse yourself, you can cleanse yourself also. So it doesn’t take much time, much labour. So many people at the first shot only become perfect. And also then you have to just know how to work it out, that’s all. Hardly takes a month to master it. For example, in the dark if you have to walk through this place you may hit on people, you fall on some people, you curse someone but if there is light you can just walk through.

Guido: She wants to know your opinion of reincarnation?

Shri Mataji: What?

Guido: Your opinion about reincarnation?

Shri Mataji: Reincarnation?

Guido: Reincarnation.

Shri Mataji: I mean, reincarnation, everybody has to reincarnate in the sense that God cannot condemn you in one lifetime. And you have to go through the trial and error method until you become quite aware. It has happened to all of you because now you want to know the truth. So many of you are there, there were never so many in the history of spirituality. And also Christ has said that He is going to come back that means He is going to reincarnate. So how can you say that He did not begin to reincarnation? Also He has said, 'I’ll send you the Holy Ghost, who will comfort you, who will counsel you and who will redeem you'. That means He does believe that something is going to happen, in the future. So this was His promise. If He had not believed in reincarnation, He would not have talked of the future. But we don’t understand Him. We don’t also understand Mohammed Sahib. He also has written in the Quran in one of the suras called as Yasin, Yoga, Sastra, calls it. And He said, there will be a sent one, He calls the Holy Ghost as the sent one and you will get your resurrection. And your hands will speak. So how can you say that He said that He is the end of it, now nobody is going to come, when He Himself has said. They all say the same thing. We the followers, see they were like flowers, living flowers on the tree of life and we have flood the flowers and now when the flowers are dead we are saying this is mine, this is mine. It has nothing to do with reality. Especially Mohammed Sahib has preached, possess Abraham, Christ, Mother of Christ, her purity. And how can all these people fight? If they get all realisation they will be all right. In India we have about two thousand people from forty countries and they are so happy with each other. They belong to all kinds of religion, all kinds of races but no fights, nothing, great friendship. Yes, in friendship they pull legs. Joke with each other which I enjoy everything. It’s such a beautiful life you have to be in.

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Guido: Ah, she's asking what is the absolute, what the absolute is?

Shri Mataji: Huh?

Guido: What is the absolute?

Shri Mataji: Absolute is that it cannot be challenged. You do not have a second opinion about it. Supposing there are ten children who are realised souls and you tie their eyes and ask them what’s wrong with this gentleman. All of them will take, show you the same finger. One finger, meaning that they are feeling the heat on this finger. They all act like a computer. As if programmed by one person. And you ask that person, 'have you got trouble in your throat on the right side?' You say 'yes, how do you know?'. So that is the absolute.

Guido: You say that you spoke about Mohammed, like you spoke about Christ but you say Christ was absolute God. But Mohammed Sahib was a violent person.

Shri Mataji: He was not violent, he was attacked all the time, so he had to protect himself. The only crucified Christ, not his disciples. But in the time of Mohammed Sahib, they tortured even his disciples and also his wives. If Christ’s mother was challenged, he would have shown them His powers. Because he has very great powers of destruction. He got himself crucified because to prove that how stupid we are, how foolish we are, how blind we are. That’s how we deny the truth. But his message is that of resurrection. That everybody can be resurrected. Because he died for our sins. So once he is awakened within us, all our sins, all our karmas are sucked in. When he has suffered for us, why should we suffer any more? Are we going to suffer more than he has suffered? So why this talk of sufferings by the Christians? But if you see, it is just a talk. Because I went to Argentina, Peru, all these places and I was amazed Argentina, Chile, anywhere, there’s not a single aboriginal left by the Christians. Even in India and China, they used to come with a gun in one hand and the Bible in another hand. Was that Christianity? Tomorrow I’ll tell you where is Christ within us, how we awaken him.

Guido: Okay, okay. [UNCLEAR] because was asking only about the difference between Christ and Mohammed.

Shri Mataji: No, no, no, it's all right but very good question, because I could tell them all about it better, you see. Very good question. We have to understand all these incarnations in the times that they were, the atmosphere they were, the people they were born. Yes, this one lady just let her out. Please get her out and ask, yes. It's a pretty long question.

Guido: Yes, she's saying that you are a way of preparing us in this great union, this great meeting with the All-Pervading power of the divine energy. So once this union takes place, then there is no need of religion, there is no need of rituals?

Shri Mataji: Yes, you see, the outside religion is not needed. Inside you become religious because you become a saint. You don’t do anything wrong, you just can’t do it. So you become, follow the pure universal religion. Innate, pure, universal religion. That’s what Lenin was saying.

Guido: He was asking if you have met Yogananda and what is your opinion on about Kriya yoga?

Shri Mataji: You see, these are controversial subjects but as you have asked Me, I have to tell you the truth. I went to Los Angeles in the year 1973 and then I met some doctors who had cut their thread of the tongues and were wagging their tongues like dogs. They were Indians, I knew them before and they wrote it down saying that we had to cut our tongues to do something called Khechari. So when the kundalini is awakened, the whole mechanism starts working automatically as when we start the car, all the mechanism starts working. And when she rises from centres to centres, first the centre opens out to allow her to pass through and then it augments, it's constricted, so that to stop it automatically. This is called as Bandha, it is a living process! And then when it comes to this end also when it wants to augment the kundalini, to stop it from falling down, the centre, it pulls your tongue a little bit but you won’t feel it, it pulls it inside, which is the Khechari. So no action is needed, Sahaja Yoga is a non-action, akriya. But this is Yogananda, this is Kriya Yoga, that you cut your tongue, push it back but the Kundalini is sitting down there. What’s the use? It would be just like starting a car, without starting a car to move the wheels. The sad part of it that those who have followed these methods are difficult to get realisation, that’s the sad part. At the very outset I have to say that yoga cannot be done artificially. It is a living process as we cannot create a flower artificially. As the seed has the built-in quality in itself to create the flowers, the Kundalini has the built-in quality to nourish your centres and to give a self-realisation.

Seeker: Such a lot of Indian persons come to?

Shri Mataji: I know that, I’m sorry.

Seeker: [UNCLEAR Works from] God?

Shri Mataji: Because you are so vulnerable, you are so simple. They can’t do that in India. Thank God Indians don’t have money also. Milano people have lots of money. You are very vulnerable, very vulnerable, very simple.

Seeker: I want to say that the Indian peoples who come to the western world, who say that they are incarnations of God, there are such a lot of ways in western Europe. How do you explain this?

Shri Mataji: It’s very simple. They ask for money, throw them out of Italy. But in the West the people are very money oriented and they want to pay for everything. If you say, if you say it is free then they think it is useless. How can you purchase truth? How much money did you give to Christ?

You see, I would say you should ask the question in a nutshell and not to give lectures because they are very anxious to get realisation. You should waste your time too much. I'm requesting. Now what is the question in a nutshell?

Guido: The question? The question is, if it’s not something pretentious to...

Shri Mataji: Correct.

Guido: ...want to achieve it?

Shri Mataji: I could see that from your face that what you are saying is the truth. But actually you see, it has to work out. Because you have seen the point, you have seen the point. And for that one needs wisdom. You see, that’s what realisation is.

Guido: No, She said this. If we can apply this to those who have already got their realisation and if it is not to become an instrument to discriminate good people and evil people after realisation. It means those who have good vibrations and those who have bad vibrations.

Shri Mataji: But what is the question?

Guido: Well, I don’t understand.

Shri Mataji: He doesn't understand. Now what is the question? No one understands the question. You see, after realisation I always tell Sahaja Yogis to be very gentle with those who haven’t got it as yet. And to deal with them in a way that they get their realisation, you see. All right. Now what is this gentleman asking? I mean, do you want diamonds? You see, all right. If you want diamonds you can go to him but he won’t give you. He only gives it to people who are very rich and who are greater groups. What is diamond for God? It is not equal to the dust of his feet. What is the other question?

Guido: They want realisation.

Shri Mataji: That’s the main thing. They should have realisation, that's the main thing. If you are hungry you will ask for realisation. What a nice question. Now, we can say that if you have any more questions left, you see, you can write them down and tomorrow you give Me before this side of the program. We will tomorrow, have patience, all right. We will do it tomorrow now.

Guido: Also tomorrow?

Shri Mataji: Tomorrow, yes. Many are people getting impatient so if you please be kind. And tomorrow, again I will answer your questions but tomorrow you, take it, bring it in writing and I will answer them. Now, the most important thing is to get realisation. I may answer all your questions because I’m quite good at it but that doesn’t guarantee your realisation at all. Now, if you want to have a five minutes break you can go out for a while and come back and then it will take hardly ten minutes for you to get realisation. But when you are going out don’t talk too much with each other, just come back. Don’t discuss. Don’t give strength to your brain. Just come with peace. It’s better that you get a little bit relaxed and then come.

[A break is taken]

Shri Mataji: As I have told you before, Sahaja Yoga is a very important thing. Sahaja Yoga is meant for people who want their Self-realisation. It cannot be forced. So those who want to have their self realisation should only stay back. Otherwise you are welcome to go. Takes very short time for the awakening of the kundalini. There are two conditions which you have to for fill. The first one is to get rid of the idea that you are guilty. It’s the condition of the Western mind that they feel guilty all the time. After all you are human beings and you are not Gods. So you will make mistakes, isn’t it? So you have to forgive yourself fully. And it is a myth to believe that you are guilty. It’s only your own idea. It’s no reality. You should say it's a habit, it must be a habit. You see the Indians don’t feel guilty at all. That’s why there were so many bad horrible gurus came here, they never feel guilty. All right, so now I want you to be placed very pleasantly towards yourself. Very pleasantly. I mean you must respect yourself. You must love yourself. This is not selfishness. This is understanding. I’m telling you all this because this is a very, very bad conditioning. So when you feel guilty all the time, this centre there on the left hand side catches very badly this side. So you get pain in the left hand sometimes. Then you get spondylitis or you might get angina, a heart attack. So for you it is important at this time not to feel guilty at all. Let your Kundalini decide, she knows everything about you. So the first condition is really to co-operate with Me. Just say, I’m not guilty at all. Just [say]. You have to enter into the kingdom of God. Not into jail. So now please do not feel guilty at all.

And the second one is a request that please forgive everyone, in general. Not in particular. So you have to just say, I forgive everyone. Don’t think whom you have to forgive or what you have to say. And this is again another myth. The myth is this that whether you forgive or don’t forgive you don’t do anything. But if you don’t forgive then you play into the hands of people who want to torture you. And those who are torturing you are very happy while you are suffering for nothing at all out of your own foolishness I would say. So this is a very, very important condition also. With this forgiveness you’ll open out the most constricted centre within you here which is between the optic chiasma. So now please, please forgive everyone.

Now, tomorrow I’ll tell you that there are two powers, one on the left and one on the right. The left power is to desire and the right is to act. Now you put both your feet away from each other and take out your shoes because this Mother Earth helps us a lot. [UNCLEAR] problems. You can keep the sock, all right.

It’s all right, don’t trouble you. It’s all right, I’ll look after you. Don’t you worry, it’s all right. Don’t trouble you.

Now you have to put your left hand towards Me like this, suggesting of your desire to get your self realisation. On the right hand you have to use for nourishing our centres on the left hand side. First I will show you how to do it and then you have to close your eyes. Now first of all don’t feel guilty, again you are feeling guilty. Now be sure that you all are going to get realisation. All right, so be self-confident. Now put your hand on your lap comfortably, if you can. And you have to sit comfortably. Not bending too much or pushing yourself back but comfortably.

Now, you have to use the right hand now so put your right hand on your heart. Now this is the centre of your spirit where the spirit resides, where the spirit resides. Now you have to take your hand in the upper portion of your abdomen on the left hand side. This is the centre of your mastery. Now take down your hand in the lower portion of your abdomen. Lower portion of your abdomen on the left hand side. This is the centre of pure knowledge that manifests on your central nervous system. Now again raise your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen on the left hand side. Then on your heart. Now raise your hand in the border of your neck and your shoulder. And now turn your head to your right. I told you already that this centre is point when you feel guilty. Now put your hand across your forehead and put down your head, fully. Now press it on both the sides nicely. Now this is the centre is for forgiving others. Now take back this hand on the back side of your head and push back your head as far as possible. Here you have to ask for forgiveness from the Divine power without feeling guilty, without counting your mistakes, just for your satisfaction. Put down your head and stretch your palm. I put the centre of your palm on top of your fontanel bone area which was a soft bone in your childhood. Put down your head, Put down your head. Now push back your fingers as much as you can so there is a good pressure on the scalp. Now move your scalp. Move it clockwise several times. Move your scalp, not your hand pressure. Slowly, that’s all you have to do. Now in this please remember that you have to stretch your hand properly and you have to put a proper pressure. Proper pressure there. Put down your head and push back your fingers. Very important. Not to move your hand like this, no but you have to push back nicely and fix it.

Now we start with our feet apart from each other. You can take out your spectacles if you want. Put left hand towards Me and right hand on your heart. Close your eyes. Here you have to ask a very fundamental question to Me. You can call Me Mother or Shri Mataji. Now so please ask a question in your head and ask a question, Mother, am I Spirit? Now don’t feel guilty, please ask this question. Ask it in your heart. Now if you are the Spirit, you are your master.

Now take your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen, press it hard with your fingers. Left hand side. Here now ask another question. Mother, am I my own master? I have already told you that I respect your freedom and I cannot force pure knowledge on you. So you have to ask for it.

Now please put your right hand in the lower portion of your abdomen. And ask for pure knowledge by saying, Mother, please give me pure knowledge. You have to say it six times because there are six petals to this centre. As soon as you ask for pure knowledge, your Kundalini starts moving upward. So now we have to nourish the higher centres with our self-respect and open them.

Now raise your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen on the left hand side. Press it hard. Here again with full self-confidence you have to say it ten times, Mother, I am my own master, please say it ten times. I have already told you that the greatest truth about you that you are not this body, you are not this mind, you are not this emotions and you are not this conditionings but you are the pure spirit.

So now raise your hand to your heart. I say twelve times with full confidence, Mother, I am the spirit. You have to know that the Divine power is the knowledge and ocean of knowledge. It is the ocean of love and ocean of blessings. It is the ocean of joy. But above all it is the ocean of forgiveness. So you have to say, I say this, again because you are all feeling guilty, you have to say it again and again, you are feeling very guilty, don’t feel guilty.

Now raise your right hand in the corner of your neck and your head [UNCLEAR is terrible]. And turn your head to your right. And here you have to say sixteen times with full confidence, Mother, I am not guilty at all. You don’t want to miss out in your self realisation by feeling guilty. I have already told you that whether you forgive or don’t forgive you don’t do anything, it’s myth. But if you don’t forgive then you play into wrong hands. So you have to forgive everyone in general, not counting whom to forgive, whom not to forgive.

So now raise your right hand on your forehead across and put down your head properly and press it on both the sides. At this point please put down your head and say it from your heart, not how many times, Mother, I forgive everyone. Now say it from your heart.

Now please take back your right hand on the back side of your head and push it back, your head in such a way that it rests on your hand very well. Here now you have to ask for forgiveness from the Divine power for your own satisfaction. Without feeling guilty, without counting your mistakes. So here you have to say it from your heart, Oh Divine power, if I have got any mistakes, knowingly or unknowingly, please forgive me. Say it from your heart, not how many times.

Now stretch your hand fully and stretch your palm and put the centre of your palm on top of the fontanel bone area which was a soft bone in your childhood. Now please bend your head and stretch back your fingers so the pressure is all right. And now move your scalp with great strength slowly, seven times but I cannot force self realisation on you. So you have to say seven times, Mother, please give me my self realisation, while moving your hand. Move slowly.

[Shri Mataji blows on the microphone.]

Now please take down your hand and open your eyes. Put both the hands so slowly. Now you please put forward your right hand and now put on your head and see for yourself if there is a cool breeze. Come out of your head. Bend your head, bend your head, then stretch.

Now put your left hand towards Me and bend your head and now see yourself if there is a cool breeze. Sometimes you get a cool breeze and sometimes a hot, doesn’t matter but after some time it becomes cooler. So don’t doubt it.

Now you raise your both the hands on top of your head like this, other like that and stretch back your head. And here you have to say a question you have to ask, Mother, is this the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost? Mother, is this the All-pervading power of God’s love? Mother, is this the Paramchaitanya? Anyone of these questions you can ask, three times.

Now take down your hands please. All those who have felt the cool breeze or hot breeze out of their heads or in their hands like this, watch Me without thinking and see for yourself if you are feeling the cool breeze coming in your hand or if you have felt it coming out of your head. All those who have felt cool breeze out of their head or hot breeze or the cool breeze on their hands, please raise both the hands. The whole of Milan. May God bless you all. I bow to you all saints.

Tomorrow again I hope you’ll all come and we’ll fix it up better and also you’ll call your friends, get a phone to them and this is the greatest thing that should happen to you. Also tomorrow bring your questions and give them beforehand and tomorrow I will meet all of you one by one.

[Applause]

Now be quiet and don’t discuss it and enjoy it. May God bless you.

[A seeker comes to the stage and asks a question.]

Shri Mataji: Let him stand holding the platform. Has he spoken to some gurus?

Guido: Some healers.

Shri Mataji: Come tomorrow, see Me in the morning.

Guido: What time?

Shri Mataji: Now he’s standing all right. He’s not putting so much pressure on you.

Seeker: Thank you very much.

Shri Mataji: You don't want, it’s all right. Just leave me. It’s all right.What's the catches? He's all right. Raise his Kundalini if there’s somebody behind him. Watch Me here, watch Me. Whats the [UNCLEAR]? Where is it? Where is problem? On this? On the right or the left? Both. All right, give a bandhan on his [UNCLEAR calf]. See now he’s standing down, much better.

Seeker: I am very afraid.

Shri Mataji: No, no don't be afraid, [UNCLEAR]. See now you better, open your hands. All right. You try to stand up, let’s see. Yes, see.

Yogi: In his right leg.

Shri Mataji: Yes, better now. [UNCLEAR].

Guido: Left heart.

Shri Mataji: You can give a bandhan. What does it have in his pockets?

Yogi: It's a Sahaja Yoga. It’s our invitation.

Shri Mataji: Left heart, just give a bandhan. Just say one thing, I am the spirit, I am the Spirit. Again, I am the Spirit. Put your left hand like that. All right now. Right?

Guido: He's standing.

[Shri Mataji snaps Her fingers]

Shri Mataji: Good. Now just try to stand up, let’s see. Do you have the pain now?

Seeker: No. I am a tire.

Guido: He’s tired.

Shri Mataji: All right, on the heart. All right, we are going to try it. Right, tomorrow try to be there at 8.

Seeker: 8 o'clock.

Shri Mataji: You better take him down. This lady is more anxious, now no reactions to yourself. She can come tomorrow, by tomorrow.

Seeker: Okay.

Yogini: Matias, Matias. You put the car inside here? Outside.

Shri Mataji: All right, see you tomorrow. Oh definitely. It's the same thing, he has got the [UNCLEAR] diseased, you see. Ask him what was he doing, what was the work he was doing?

Guido: Lawyer, lawyer.

Shri Mataji: That's what. All right, we work it out. [UNCLEAR] diseased, I have told about this disease about eight years back and so many are suffering in the country. This time tomorrow I’ll tell you. Conscious mind gets paralysed. So? Thank you very much.