You all have to become Sufis 2002-04-23
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23 April 2002
You All Have To Become Sufis
Public Program
Lütfi Kirdar Congress Palace, Istanbul (Turkey)
Talk Language: English | Transcript (English) - Reviewed
Public Program Lütfi Kırdar Congress Palace, Istanbul (Turkey), 23 April 2002,
I bow to all the seekers of truth. I’m very happy to see you all here to know about the truth. Whatever is told about your subtle being is not yet known, because in your awareness, you don’t have yet that subtleness. That’s the last, the jump into your awareness of collectivity.
I must tell you, [some problem with the mike]
[Sahaja Yogi speaks in Hindi].
It’s all right. I must tell you that in this country, that is Turkey, you had so many Sufis. They called themselves Sufis because they were clean and they were spiritually endowed. They talked of Ruh [cool breeze] but nobody knew about Ruh. And when they talked of Ruh, they did not know how to explain it. They talked of Ruhani life, but they could not explain what is Ruhani life. Ruhani is the life when you are connected with the All-pervading Power of Divine love. It is a different area into which you enter. Because they could not explain, they wrote everything beautifully, describing it.
But now the time has come for you to get to your Ruhani life, which is a very important thing.
Because if you are not connected to the divine Power, whatever you may try, whatever, how so ever you may pray, how much you would read Quran, nothing will happen. Human life is governed with jealousy, with temper, with all kinds of malignant things. And we can see all over the world the problems are just spreading. Once they will get into Ruhani life, they will realize that the whole world is one. There is a global existence. What happens that you jump into the sea, ocean of love, of pure love, no lust, no greed, nothing. That’s has to happen because if we are born as human beings, we must get Ruhani life, for which you cannot pay, you cannot read, you cannot understand it with your human awareness. So, you have to enter into a new dimension of your awareness.
Nobody understood those Sufis and they just tortured them. Because they were so different, so much higher, that they could not bear it. And today, that is going on, people are fighting all over the world. So, this is the life of pure love; but not forced, not taught it’s just within you, already existing. You do not know your worth, you do not know what you have. All the saints came here, incarnations came here, prophets came here. Nobody understood them. They only killed them because majority of the people, they were not Ruhani. So, all such ignorant people could not bear the knowledge, the divine knowledge of these great people.
Now the time has come for the whole world to become one and to jump into the sea of love, which is very, very simple. It is very easy. As told to you, we have already that power, placed in the triangular bone of sacrum within us by our Creator, which is to be awakened. And once it is awakened, it passes through your centres and cleanses them, enlightens them, and integrates them. And ultimately, this Kundalini connects you to the divine Power. This is what is Miraj [ascension] as described in the Bible- in the Quran. And all of you can get this Miraj. And once you get it, you can experiment and get it on your fingertips, the cool breeze of this surrounding, of this power, we can call the power of love. You can feel it on the fingertips. That is the proof. There is no false certificate about it. And ultimately, you can also get it coming out of your fontanel bone area. This is the last bone which was pulsating as a child, and then it closed. But when the Kundalini pierces through that, then only you can feel the connection as cool breeze coming out of your own being.
You have shown so much faith in God, so much faith in Quran, so much faith in Islam, but you have to surrender, Islam means to surrender. And then you can achieve this awareness, this higher awareness of divinity in you. After getting these vibrations also, you can develop a power to know what is wrong with you within, in your chakras. And also you can make out what is wrong with others. That is how your awareness expands, expands to the new dimension of Ruhani.
You all have to become Sufis. But now do not write poetry, because people do not understand poetry. They misinterpret it. I can also write poetry, but I don`t want, because I want you to know directly what is the truth.
There are eleven countries in South [Ouest] Africa, called as Benin and all that and they all have become Muslims. I asked them, "Why did you become Muslims and not Christians like these?" They said, "Our rulers were these horrible people who were so dirty, so filthy and smelled". So many people tried to rule them. There is a writer called Molière who told them, made fun of them. And there is a beautiful book written as Nana, by another writer [Emile Zola], who has shown how stupid they are. They have to learn nothing from you. You are so different, you are so capable. I mean, I must say you are such a sensible, lot of people. But keep to your sense, keep to your intelligence.
I am telling you about French, because nowadays they are trying to influence you. Also your television, be careful. They do not know what is Ruh is. God knows what sort of Christianity they’ve got, just the opposite of Christ. So, please try to keep to your culture and to your understanding. And you can get your Realization in no time. I came to Turkey, because if you remember Christ’s Mother also came here. And I now know why she came, because the people are extremely good. And so many Sufis! It is such a joyful place to come to.
I think you all will get your Realization tonight. Those of course who do not want, can go. It’s a very, very simple thing. In the meanwhile, I would like you to ask me some questions.
[A Sahaja Yogi and a Yogini will translate the questions of the seekers.]
Sahaja Yogi: Rumi, Jalal Al-Din Rumi, he has a word saying that, if I declare the mysteries, then I will burn or everyone will burn.
Shri Mataji: It’s true, what he said is true. That was the time when people were not aware. What he said was the truth. Because people, because people don’t understand what is reality, they can’t behave like that. They crucified Christ! They tortured Muhammed Sahib. They tortured everyone.
Shri Mataji: What is he saying?
Sahaja Yogi: He talks in general.
Shri Mataji: Hum?
Sahaja Yogi: He is saying about the love, and he was just thanking you.
Shri Mataji: All right, thank you. Thank you very much. I’m not afraid.
[Applause]
They can burn me, I don’t care.
[Laughter]
One by one.
Sahaja Yogi: You said that French are not good for the world peace. Does that mean the whole of French people?
Shri Mataji: No, no, there are exceptions, of course. There are many exceptions, no doubt, that’s how I came to know about them.
Sahaja Yogi: She was doing some Reiki Shri Mataji. She wants to know if the two positive energies can be used together, Reiki, Raja Yoga she is doing.
[Shri Mataji does not understand]
Sahaja Yogini: Can she do it with Sahaja Yoga?
Shri Mataji: Please, I would say, don’t do it.
Sahaja Yogi: Shri Mataji, they are asking why it doesn’t go, Reiki and Sahaja Yoga why it doesn’t go together?
Shri Mataji: Because I have seen people who do that, get sick. It has no science behind it. You must do what you understand, not blindly.
Sahaja Yogi: What about the other world, please. What about the other world?
Shri Mataji: Hum?
Sahaja Yogini: What about life after death?
Shri Mataji: That, we’ll discuss later, [noise; inaudible] the whole thing comes to your death.
[Laughter; applause]
Sahaja Yogini: Do you think about it?
Shri Mataji: No.
[Laughter; applause]
Think of the present. So much has to be done in the present. It’s like escaping the present.
What does he say?
[Applause]
Sahaja Yogini: What is the cause of lying, why do people lie?
Shri Mataji: Because they don’t know the truth. Not only, the strength and the power of truth.
Sahaja Yogini: Is the basis of yoga, the power of thoughts? Power of thinking?
Shri Mataji: No, no, no, no, no. It’s beyond thinking you go. That you will know later on. You go beyond thinking.
Sahaja Yogini: How, how we go beyond thinking?
Shri Mataji: With the Kundalini, she takes you up there.
Sahaja Yogini: Is it the power which awakens the Kundalini, is it the power of thinking?
Shri Mataji: No. It is the All-pervading Power of divine love. First, you get your Realization instead of asking these questions.
Sahaja Yogini: Could you explain the meaning of ‘bindi’?
Shri Mataji: It is, in India, we put on married women, all right?
Sahaja Yogini: We heard that people wash your feet and drink the water from your feet,
Shri Mataji: Oh, no.
Sahaja Yogini: And why the people bow in front of you?
Shri Mataji: All false. All false.
[Applause]
Sahaja Yogini: Is this a sect?
Shri Mataji: Sect for what?
[Applause]
Sahaja Yogini: People bow in front on you, is this a sect?
Shri Mataji: Of course they bow. If they want to bow, what can I do?
[Laughter]
Sahaja Yogini: Under enlightenment of which knowledge will people understand your value, your worth?
Shri Mataji: Your what?
Sahaja Yogini: How can people understand your value, your worth?
Shri Mataji: First, you get your Self-realization. You will know yourself then. You don’t know yourself. How can you know me?
[Applause]
Sahaja Yogini: Why did you start this mission, to help the mankind to find the truth?
Shri Mataji: Yes.
Sahaja Yogini: For the peace and to save them.
Shri Mataji: Of course.
Sahaja Yogini: For what reason have you started this mission?
Shri Mataji: Don’t you think you need peace?
[Applause]
Shri Mataji: Yes, madam?
Sahaja Yogini: There is a question [written on a piece of paper].
Lady seeker: Shri Mataji [the lady talks in Turkish]
Sahaja Yogini: The question is, the Sufis got their Realization from the Prophet. Where did you get your Realization from? And do you see yourself as a prophet?
Shri Mataji: You don’t worry about me.
[Applause]
Sahaja Yogini: I believe in yoga and I want to do yoga. know that, I believe that the country where the yoga is most needed right now, is Israel. What do you think about this?
Shri Mataji: About what?
Sahaja Yogini: About Israel and they need yoga.
Shri Mataji: You can’t help it. Historically, they are stupid.
[Applause]
We have many Jews, and we have many Muslims, people who are with us so it’s a combination [unsure]. It’s a- you can help them. A new style has to transform them [unsure].
Sahaja Yogini: She would like you to go to Ankara. She is inviting you to Ankara next year.
Shri Mataji: Very nice, thank you. If I can go, I will go. Thank you very much.
[Applause]
Sahaja Yogini: He is asking a question that what does your past, how does our past life affect your Kundalini? How does one past life affect the rise of the Kundalini?
Another Sahaja Yogini: Past life.
Shri Mataji: There is an effect, no doubt. But we can work it out. But you don’t worry about the past, we have to think of the present.
Sahaja Yogini: He asks, when we have some physical problems, and he is asking that, if it would be dangerous for his Kundalini to rise? Why, he has this physical health problems.
About cleaning the body, does he have to clean the body before the having the Realization? Shri Mataji: Not necessarily, but better do it, it’s good.
Sahaja Yogini: He is asking if we can have our Realization?
Shri Mataji: Of course.
Sahaja Yogini: Just, there is one question,
Shri Mataji: Most of them want it. But one or two here and here
.
Sahaja Yogini: She is asking that everybody have their place next to God, what do you think? Every messenger has their place next to God. What is your place next to God? Do you see yourself as a prophet?
Shri Mataji: You don’t try to find out about me, try to find out about yourself.
[Applause]
Sahaja Yogini: He is asking that do you think those Sufis had their Kundalini awaken?
Shri Mataji: Most of them had. Most of them, they had.
Sahaja Yogini: And he says that most of them did not succeed in saving the humans. They were tortured. How do you think that you are going to save the humanity?
Shri Mataji: People are so bad and so cruel. They always tortured good people. What is this human in law? [Unsure]
Sahaja Yogini: What is the difference between Kundalini and ‘prana’?
Shri Mataji: You get your Realization you will know.
Sahaja Yogini: Can we have the Realization?
Shri Mataji: They don’t want to stop it.
It’s all ego.
Do you want your Realization or not?
[Applause]
All right, I’ll start. You please put your hands [like this].
[Sahaja Yogini in Turkish: Can we shut down these air conditioners?]
Shri Mataji: In Quran, Muhammed Sahib has said, "At the time of resurrection, your hands will speak". This is the proof. If they don’t speak, then something is wrong.
Please close your eyes, because there is no mesmerism going on.
You don’t worry about me, worry about yourself.
Put the hands as we put for Namaz.
[Shri Mataji is blowing into the mike]
Now see, if there is a cool breeze flowing. It could be also hot, it doesn’t matter. It will cool down.
Now put your right hand on top of your head, above the fontanelle bone area, about two or three inches [5 to 8 centimetres] and see for yourself if there is a cool breeze coming out of your head [Unclear. If it is hot also, doesn’t matter. But it should be cool.
After some time, it will become cool, for which you have to meditate. They will teach you how to do it.
We have many centres luckily here.
Ah! They’ve got it. OK?
Again put your hands towards me.
Like this, like this. No, like this.
All those who have felt cool breeze on their fingertips or on their palm or out of their head, raise your hands.
Oh! May God bless you all.
After this, I have to just say one more thing, that you must go to our centres.
You don’t have to pay anything. As you have not paid anything for your Realization, you don’t have to pay anything in the centres. Gradually, you will learn everything on your fingertips. If you have any problems, write it down and let them send it over to me.
Thank you very much, I love you very much.
[Applause]
[End of speech. Now the program goes on with qawwalis]